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Postby zan » Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:02 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I agree a film would be very useful in this case. Perhaps it could clearly show who really kicked you out of your country. Was it really an Eoka? Was it really a TMT? Was it really a Tpap? Was it really a Denktash? Was it all of them? Who knows....

And then you elected a TMT Denky and put him there for 40 years expecting a solution...



Sorry mate but I can claim the high ground on this one because we got him out when it mattered most with the AP and you guys screwed us.......
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:37 pm

You kicked him out???
Who was your president when the Anan Plan was put in referendum?

No man TURKEY kicked him out. He served his term stabilising division. Now it is the time for someone "sweater" to go on for "recognition". A few more eons i.e
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It’s our (Greek Cypriots) choice to cultivate hostility

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:50 am

from the Cyprus Mail 11/2/2007

A NEW history textbook for children in the last year of primary school has incurred the wrath of Cypriot politicians, who are demanding its immediate withdrawal because it allegedly distorts and over-simplifies the island’s history. The textbook, covering four centuries of Greek history in 150 pages, devotes three pages to Cyprus, which refer to the anti-colonial struggle, the coup, Turkish invasion and the continuing division. Cypriot politicians found plenty to complain about in these three pages, while the Education Ministry has prepared a letter in which it lists the changes it wants made to the book.

It was not only Cypriot politicians who were outraged with the contents of the book. A small handful of nationalist politicians and academics in Greece have also lambasted it, because of the neutral terminology it used and its failure to mention the killing of thousands of Greek civilians by the Turkish troops in Smyrna in 1922. All it said was that the Turkish army had entered the town and thousands of Greeks had crowded to the port in order to get on a ship that would take them to Greece. The Greek Education Minister, responding to the criticism, said some corrections would be made to the book, but had no intention of withdrawing it from schools, as had been done in the case of other ‘nationalistically incorrect’ textbooks in the past.

The objections voiced by Cypriot politicians are related to the failure of the writer to use the officially-sanctioned Cyprus problem terminology. They objected to references to the ‘northern part’ of the island, which should have been called ‘occupied area’, and to ‘the Turkish Cypriot state’, as well as to the absence of any mention of the missing; there was not enough written about the refugees (just a fleeting mention), it was claimed, and no mention of the role played by EOKA B in the coup. A map of the island had the occupied area shaded in a different colour, from the free area, which was a big faux pas, as it implied there were two ‘states’. The island should have been in one colour, with a dividing line marking the occupied part, claimed Cyprus’ self-styled historians.

For our politicians the only valid version of history is the officially-sanctioned version, featuring the missing, the refugees, EOKA B, the junta and the bad Turks. They want school history books to read like turgid, Public Information Office announcements, even though this would turn children off history for life – but at least the Cyprus problem dogma would be kept intact. Educationalists in Greece have no such hang-ups, and the Education Ministry there has, commendably, decided it was time to adopt a drastically new approach for the teaching of history in state schools.

Gone is the rigid presentation of history as an epic narrative of a nation’s heroic fight for survival, which encourages fanaticism and hatred for the ‘historic’ enemies of the country as it dismisses alternative versions of events. The offending textbook is a radical departure from this dogmatic and simplistic approach, instead presenting history dispassionately, as a series of discrete events, in neutral language and with as little value judgment as possible. It is a good introduction to history, for 11- to 12-year-olds, that tries to cultivate open-mindedness and relative values.

Greek society, to its credit, has decided that it will no longer use the teaching of history as an excuse to keep alive old rivalries and to encourage nationalism and fanaticism.

Greek Cypriot society is not ready to make such a leap forward, which is why all political parties expressed strong objections to the contents of the textbook. Our society still wants its schools to teach dogmatically and to inculcate children with nationalism. It is no coincidence that the age-group most opposed to the re-unification of the island is the 18-24, the individuals who are still greatly influenced by school. Sixty-three per cent of this age group supported the complete separation of the two communities in an opinion poll last year.

It is our society’s choice to cultivate hostility and fanaticism, but it is rather arrogant on our part to expect Greece to do the same. If we do not like the history textbooks used in Greece, because they encourage open-mindedness and relativism, we should not be demanding that they are changed for our sake – we should produce our own. Our history books would use all the correct terminology relating to the invasion and occupation, with inverted commas in the right place and the map of Cyprus in a single colour.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:23 am

For a moment I thought we lost you dear VP.
Glad to see you around.

Well this is what happens when we expect the mainland Greeks to teach us OUR history. They write a history book in GREECE and they send it to us and it only containing 3 pages of Cyprus history....
And not only that but not a single mention about the dead and the missing persons from the 1974 Invasion....

STOP USING RIDICULOUS GREEK BOOKS IN EDUCATION!!!

WE already threw away their stupid books on Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry etc
Time to throw away the rest of their TRASH.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:27 am

Pyrpolizer
For a moment I thought we lost you dear VP.
Glad to see you around.


I know you don't mean it but thanks all the same, I have been around reading posts but there was really nothing worth responding to they majority of posts were made by 2 individuals who appear to have private vendettas out against me and I do not want to drop to their level and play their silly games by responding to their idiotic posts.

Do you think it correct to teach young GC minds to hate or encourage them to investigate and come to their own conclusions. Our system has taken steps to do this isn't it time yours did the same?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:34 am

National memory is important. We need our children to remember their occupied lands.
Besides we talk about the history book of the 6th grade Elementary school.

The children at that age still drink milk, they don't have the knowledge or ability for reaching University type conclussions
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:36 am

No reciprocal to my feelings dear VP? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:39 am

The manipulation of our Island's educational system by grossly inferior foreign Greek and Turkish mainland , should be eradicated once and for all. We have nothing to gain from either of these two nations who between them are responsible for out Islands predicament.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:48 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:National memory is important. We need our children to remember their occupied lands.
Besides we talk about the history book of the 6th grade Elementary school.

The children at that age still drink milk, they don't have the knowledge or ability for reaching University type conclussions


What age is your 6th grade 11? well my son is 12 and he can use the computer better than I can, for the past 3 years. This type of education encourages children to question things and pick up information form different sources rather than believe that what is written in a history book is the gospel truth, we can see the difference in our children who do ask about what happened look through books and go back tot heir class rooms with what they have found and discuss the different sources of information and what they mean. This imo encourages the mind from a young age to ask questions and analyze things rather than using the brainwashing memorizing technique which is a way of making children believe everything they read.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:54 am

Viewpoint wrote:Pyrpolizer
For a moment I thought we lost you dear VP.
Glad to see you around.


I know you don't mean it but thanks all the same, I have been around reading posts but there was really nothing worth responding to they majority of posts were made by 2 individuals who appear to have private vendettas out against me and I do not want to drop to their level and play their silly games by responding to their idiotic posts.

Do you think it correct to teach young GC minds to hate or encourage them to investigate and come to their own conclusions. Our system has taken steps to do this isn't it time yours did the same?


Our system has taken steps to do this isn't it time yours did the same?[/

so what do you do when they teach history? go fishing or something?

you have just about reached your average posts for the day and the day is still young.

already 4 posts and 34 to go :lol:

gooooooooooooooooooooo vp.

ps. how can comedy ever considered as vendetta?
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