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[askimwos]

The establishment of the GC school in Karpasia was part of the Geneva Agreement that followed the invation.
This agreement signed bt dektash and klerides allowed for TCs to move to the occuppied area if the wanted to and allowed for 4000 at the time enclaved GCs in karpasia to stay there under a certain status that included having their own schools run and manpowered by the RoC. The Agreement also made imperative that these 4000 people were protected by the regime...something that ofcourse did not happen as there was a well planned effort by Denktash and co to drive them away. A number of them has been murdered while GC kids that reached the age of 12 and needed to attend a secondary school had to go to south to study as Dektash's interpretation of the Agreement refuse to aknowledge that the term education included secondary education as well. Ofcourse once a kid crossed the buffer zone he/she was never allowed back in the occupied areas.
Hope to have shed some light to your ignorance and propaganda riddled mind VP.

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The establishment of the GC school in Karpasia was part of the Geneva Agreement that followed the invation.
This agreement signed bt dektash and klerides allowed for TCs to move to the occuppied area if the wanted to and allowed for 4000 at the time enclaved GCs in karpasia to stay there under a certain status that included having their own schools run and manpowered by the RoC. The Agreement also made imperative that these 4000 people were protected by the regime...something that ofcourse did not happen as there was a well planned effort by Denktash and co to drive them away. A number of them has been murdered while GC kids that reached the age of 12 and needed to attend a secondary school had to go to south to study as Dektash's interpretation of the Agreement refuse to aknowledge that the term education included secondary education as well. Ofcourse once a kid crossed the buffer zone he/she was never allowed back in the occupied areas.
Hope to have shed some light to your ignorance and propaganda riddled mind VP.

Thank you for the information, do you have any independent links? was there no limits to the number of GC pupils required? 15 teachers to 1 child?

[askimwos]

The establishment of the GC school in Karpasia was part of the Geneva Agreement that followed the invation.
This agreement signed bt dektash and klerides allowed for TCs to move to the occuppied area if the wanted to and allowed for 4000 at the time enclaved GCs in karpasia to stay there under a certain status that included having their own schools run and manpowered by the RoC. The Agreement also made imperative that these 4000 people were protected by the regime...something that ofcourse did not happen as there was a well planned effort by Denktash and co to drive them away. A number of them has been murdered while GC kids that reached the age of 12 and needed to attend a secondary school had to go to south to study as Dektash's interpretation of the Agreement refuse to aknowledge that the term education included secondary education as well. Ofcourse once a kid crossed the buffer zone he/she was never allowed back in the occupied areas.
Hope to have shed some light to your ignorance and propaganda riddled mind VP.

Thank you for the information, do you have any independent links? was there no limits to the number of GC pupils required? 15 teachers to 1 child?

Btw the 4000 should have read 14000

Facts:

The agreement document:
The Third Vienna Agreement - August 1975

Communique issued after the third phase of the intercommunal talks in Vienna
The third round of talks on Cyprus was held in Vienna from 31 July to 2 August 1975.

Preliminary discussions were held on the powers and functions of a federal government on the basis of the original Greek Cypriot proposals submitted at the first round, the Turkish Cypriot paper of the 21st of July and the more comprehensive paper presented by Mr. Clerides at this meeting. Further examination of this subject will continue in Nicosia with a view to a final discussion, together with the other aspects relating to the solution of the Cyprus problem, at the next round of talks. Mr. Denktash expressed his views on the comprehensive paper submitted by Mr. Clerides and also on his own proposals for a transitional joint government submitted by him on 18 July. Mr. Clerides referred to his previous position in this regard.

A discussion of the geographical aspects of a future settlement of the Cyprus problem took place. It was agreed that Mr. Clerides and Mr. Denktash would have further private talks on this subject prior to the fourth round of the Cyprus talks with a view to preparing the discussion of this matter which will take place at that time.

In addition the following was agreed:

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

The question of displaced persons was also re-examined.

Although both sides again affirmed that they were not knowingly holding undeclared prisoners-of-war or other detainees, it was agreed mutually to extend full facilities for searches in response to information given by either side.

Both sides declared that the Nicosia International Airport, which has been repaired by the United Nations under the agreement reached at the first round, can be used, as a first step, by the United Nations for its needs.

The fourth round of talks will take place, due to the Secretary General’s commitments in regard to the General Assembly, at United Nations headquarters in New York on 8 and 9 September 1975.

2 August, 1975



Official UN

From UN A humanitarian review undertaken by the UN Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) in 1995 (S/1995/1020), documents in detail the situation. It observes: "The Greek Cypriots of Karpass are now a small minority in a part of Cyprus, which was once almost totally Greek Cypriot, and they are subjected to a system whose long-term aim appears to be directed towards the eventual extinction of the Greek Cypriot community in Karpass".

From ECJ:
The European Court of Human Rights finds Turkey guilty of human rights violations of the enclaved

The European Court of Human Rights has repeatedly found Turkey guilty of human rights violations during and after the invasion and occupation of the northern part of Cyprus. In its judgment on May 10, 2001, in the case of Cyprus V. Turkey (application no.25781/94), the Court found Turkey guilty, by sixteen votes to one (the Turkish vote), of 14 violations of the European Convention of Human Rights. Out of these, seven violations concerned the living conditions of the enclaved people in the Turkish occupied area of Cyprus. More specifically, the Court held that Turkey committed the following violations:

- a violation of Article 9 (freedom of thought, conscience and religion) in respect of Greek Cypriots living in northern Cyprus, concerning the effects of restrictions on freedom of movement which limited access to places of worship and participation in other aspects of religious life.
- a violation of Article 10 (freedom of expression) in respect of Greek Cypriots living in northern Cyprus in so far as school-books destined for use in their primary school were subject to excessive measures of censorship.

- a continuing violation of Article 1 of Protocol No. 1 in respect of Greek Cypriots living in northern Cyprus in that their right to the peaceful enjoyment of their possessions was not secured in case of their permanent departure from that territory and in that, in case of death, inheritance rights of relatives living in southern Cyprus were not recognised.

- a violation of Article 2 of Protocol No. 1 (right to education) in respect of Greek Cypriots living in northern Cyprus in so far as no appropriate secondary-school facilities were available to them.

- a violation of Article 3 in that the Greek Cypriots living in the Karpass area of northern Cyprus had been subjected to discrimination amounting to degrading treatment.

- a violation of Article 8 concerning the right of Greek Cypriots living in northern Cyprus to respect for their private and family life and to respect for their home.

- a violation of Article 13 by reason of the absence, as a matter of practice, of remedies in respect of interferences by the authorities with the rights of Greek Cypriots living in northern Cyprus under Articles 3, 8, 9 and 10 of the Convention and Articles 1 and 2 of Protocol No. 1.

From PACE:

On 24 June 2003, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted a resolution condemning Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot occupation regime for violations of the rights and freedoms of the enclaved. Resolution 1333 (2003) was adopted, with an overwhelming majority, following a presentation and joint debate of the report of PACE’s Rapporteur on the Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of Greek Cypriots and Maronites living in the northern part of Cyprus, Swiss MP Mr Dick Marty.

In Resolution 1333 (2003), PACE expresses its extreme concern and shock over the status and living conditions imposed upon the Greek Cypriot and Maronite communities living in the occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus and insists that “the Turkish Cypriot administration controlling the northern part of the island, as well as Turkey which assumes de facto legal co-responsibility in this part of the island, cease all humiliation of the Greek and Maronite communities and put an end to the climate of intimidation”.

The Assembly further demands that the occupation regime and Turkey end the dispossessions affecting members of these communities, ensure freedom of education and worship for Orthodox Christians and Maronites, end the restrictions on movement across the demarcation line, grant all inhabitants the right to an effective remedy, ensure equal access to medical care and permit the communities to freely choose their representatives themselves.

The resolution also conveys the Assembly’s agreement with the conclusions of the European Court of Human Rights in its aforementioned Cyprus v. Turkey judgment establishing violations of the human rights of the Greek Cypriot and Maronite communities living in the Turkish-occupied areas.

It concludes by expressing the position that, as history has shown, “the different social, political, religious, cultural and linguistic constituents present on the island are perfectly capable of living together in peace and harmony”.

Report: http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9714.htm

Everything is on the net VP - you only have to go and search not just listen and spread propaganda. As for your comment about 15 teachers per pupil I will just ignore it as this is way beyond propaganda. Even those who studied the subject can tell you that propaganda need to appear truthfull - a lie can pass unnoticed as well as half-truths but not things like 15 teachers per pupil!!!!

[pitsilos]

he knew that, its in his propaganda book, page 1, paragraph 3, he was hoping you wouldn't have proof

[Viewpoint]

askimwos thank you for the information you have provided, in all the clouding the following paragraphy is very important dont your feel?

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.

It does not actually say a GC school so these children can easily go to a TC school just like TC children going to a GC school, why the inequality?

You also forget that the TRNC was formed in 1983 so we could ignore all previous agreements as they do not bind the TRNC but the TC community within the "RoC" framework and if you havent noticed we do not take part in that framework.

Your views are very one sided and you should try to see us as equals not some second class human beings, if there is a GC school catering for GC children which I to support surely this should be reciprocal and there should be a TC school in the south where the TC population is far bigger than the GC population the north.

[DT.]

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You also forget that the TRNC was formed in 1983 so we could ignore all previous agreements as they do not bind the TRNC but the TC community within the "RoC" framework and if you havent noticed we do not take part in that framework.

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ahem VP would this mean that we can forget the treaty of gaurantee? The Zurich agreement?

What does talat mean when he says that according to the 1960 constitution the natural resources of the island belong to all the people of the island...thought all agreements prior to 83 are void??

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DT

You also forget that the TRNC was formed in 1983 so we could ignore all previous agreements as they do not bind the TRNC but the TC community within the "RoC" framework and if you havent noticed we do not take part in that framework

ahem VP would this mean that we can forget the treaty of gaurantee? The Zurich agreement?

What does talat mean when he says that according to the 1960 constitution the natural resources of the island belong to all the people of the island...thought all agreements prior to 83 are void??

I agree with you totally, we have to decide if we are the TRNC or not if we are we have no claims over anything the "RoC" do and Turkey and the TRNC are in the wrong. The guarantees have served their purpose and any unficaiton has to be based on new foundations eg Annan plan.

If we decide we want our rights under the "RoC" agreements then we have to dissolve the TRNC and stake claim.

[miltiades]

askimwos thank you for the information you have provided, in all the clouding the following paragraphy is very important dont your feel?

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.

It does not actually say a GC school so these children can easily go to a TC school just like TC children going to a GC school, why the inequality?

You also forget that the TRNC was formed in 1983 so we could ignore all previous agreements as they do not bind the TRNC but the TC community within the "RoC" framework and if you havent noticed we do not take part in that framework.

Your views are very one sided and you should try to see us as equals not some second class human beings, if there is a GC school catering for GC children which I to support surely this should be reciprocal and there should be a TC school in the south where the TC population is far bigger than the GC population the north.

HM VP , The twister , says "It does not actually say a GC school " but neither does it say Christianity for religion , but any person with the slightest minutest amount of common sense can see that when it says "education and religion " it means Greek Cypriot Schools and Christian Churches ,give it a rest VP I'm beginning to think that that you are a programmed computer to churn out the same boring propaganda , laughable as it is I still like your sense of humour.
I have to now

[DT.]

DT

You also forget that the TRNC was formed in 1983 so we could ignore all previous agreements as they do not bind the TRNC but the TC community within the "RoC" framework and if you havent noticed we do not take part in that framework

ahem VP would this mean that we can forget the treaty of gaurantee? The Zurich agreement?

What does talat mean when he says that according to the 1960 constitution the natural resources of the island belong to all the people of the island...thought all agreements prior to 83 are void??

I agree with you totally, we have to decide if we are the TRNC or not if we are we have no claims over anything the "RoC" do and Turkey and the TRNC are in the wrong. The guarantees have served their purpose and any unficaiton has to be based on new foundations eg Annan plan.

If we decide we want our rights under the "RoC" agreements then we have to dissolve the TRNC and stake claim.

you've made your position clear on this. I think if anything it proves that your partitionist views cannot be bought and that they are genuine. Unlike a lot of your compatriots who remember the 1960 govt when it suits them and forget it just as easily.

good on you for being true to your beliefs (even though i don't agree with them)

[askimwos]

askimwos thank you for the information you have provided, in all the clouding the following paragraphy is very important dont your feel?

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.

It does not actually say a GC school so these children can easily go to a TC school just like TC children going to a GC school, why the inequality?

You also forget that the TRNC was formed in 1983 so we could ignore all previous agreements as they do not bind the TRNC but the TC community within the "RoC" framework and if you havent noticed we do not take part in that framework.

Your views are very one sided and you should try to see us as equals not some second class human beings, if there is a GC school catering for GC children which I to support surely this should be reciprocal and there should be a TC school in the south where the TC population is far bigger than the GC population the north.

Bla, bla, bla...twist, spin....bla, bla, bla...twist, spin...
not worth even answering...