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[shahmaran]

I am a TC Miltiades, legally and mentally, however that does not change the way i feel about Turkey, no one is denying the existence of the Kurds in that region, i just said there is not a "Kurdish problem", the problem is the PKK and their supporters, which does not include the 15 million, like you said, most of them are proud Kurds of Turkey.

It sounds like you are trying to justify the killing of 40,000 Turks, and the recent killings of the PKK, so please tell me how, because I would love to hear it, just in case im missing out on some amazing lesson on human morality that only you with your old wisdom can see out of this.

How can you claim that we are all Cypriots FIRST no matter what our ethnicity, when you are also defending the PKK cause?

[EPSILON]

I am a TC Miltiades, legally and mentally, however that does not change the way i feel about Turkey, no one is denying the existence of the Kurds in that region, i just said there is not a "Kurdish problem", the problem is the PKK and their supporters, which does not include the 15 million, like you said, most of them are proud Kurds of Turkey.

It sounds like you are trying to justify the killing of 40,000 Turks, and the recent killings of the PKK, so please tell me how, because I would love to hear it, just in case im missing out on some amazing lesson on human morality that only you with your old wisdom can see out of this.

How can you claim that we are all Cypriots FIRST no matter what our ethnicity, when you are also defending the PKK cause?

Are you so sure that the recent killings of Turkish soldiers effected by PKK?The recent history in West Turkey guide us to think differently.

[shahmaran]

Are you serious Epsilon? Do you not watch the news? There are 100,000 Turkish soldiers along with tanks and fighter jets lined up at the Iraqi border as we speak engaging with the terrorists, the ambush that left 12 Turkish soldiers dead and 8 more captured was most definitely the PKK who has openly admitted it and released the names of those captured, however im still curious to hear what you are trying to suggest.

[EPSILON]

Are you serious Epsilon? Do you not watch the news? There are 100,000 Turkish soldiers along with tanks and fighter jets lined up at the Iraqi border as we speak engaging with the terrorists, the ambush that left 12 Turkish soldiers dead and 8 more captured was most definitely the PKK who has openly admitted it and released the names of those captured, however im still curious to hear what you are trying to suggest.

Two days ago 17 Turkish soldiers had been killed not in a fight but in a bomb attack. One year ago some Turkish citizens killed by a bomb attack in West Turkey and finally was proved that pesons related to Turkish army were involved in the bomb attack.
Generals under the pressure of USA to not invate Iraq given a very good excuss to do so after the killing of the 17 soldiers- this what i am trying to say

[Eric dayi]

The point Shah is that you stated that you are a T/C only to contradict yourself every time you refer to Turkey by using "we " meaning we the Turkish people. Make your mind up either you are a Cypriot Turk or Turkish.Vast difference mate .Further more there is a Kurdish minority in Turkey , some 15 million and they are proud Kurds , the entire international community accepts the existence of this ethnic group in Turkey , just as they accept the existence of Kurds in Iraq and Syria. The Kurdish people are a proud race just as the Turks the Greeks and for that matter all races on this planet.To deny the existence of a race is to deny the validity of ethnicity.

Did you like Shahmaran's answer miltiades?

You poor old senile fool, when I've got some time I'll feel sorry for your condition.

[Eric dayi]

Are you serious Epsilon? Do you not watch the news? There are 100,000 Turkish soldiers along with tanks and fighter jets lined up at the Iraqi border as we speak engaging with the terrorists, the ambush that left 12 Turkish soldiers dead and 8 more captured was most definitely the PKK who has openly admitted it and released the names of those captured, however im still curious to hear what you are trying to suggest.

Two days ago 17 Turkish soldiers had been killed not in a fight but in a bomb attack. One year ago some Turkish citizens killed by a bomb attack in West Turkey and finally was proved that pesons related to Turkish army were involved in the bomb attack.
Generals under the pressure of USA to not invate Iraq given a very good excuss to do so after the killing of the 17 soldiers- this what i am trying to say

Are you trying to say that this is sort of a 9/11 inside job thing Epsilon?

[EPSILON]

Are you serious Epsilon? Do you not watch the news? There are 100,000 Turkish soldiers along with tanks and fighter jets lined up at the Iraqi border as we speak engaging with the terrorists, the ambush that left 12 Turkish soldiers dead and 8 more captured was most definitely the PKK who has openly admitted it and released the names of those captured, however im still curious to hear what you are trying to suggest.

Two days ago 17 Turkish soldiers had been killed not in a fight but in a bomb attack. One year ago some Turkish citizens killed by a bomb attack in West Turkey and finally was proved that pesons related to Turkish army were involved in the bomb attack.
Generals under the pressure of USA to not invate Iraq given a very good excuss to do so after the killing of the 17 soldiers- this what i am trying to say

Are you trying to say that this is sort of a 9/11 inside job thing Epsilon?

Absolutely not!! I never consider or think that 9/11 was an inside job. However for Turks i have million reasons to believe so, such as bomb in Attaturk house in Salonica 1955, Denktash bombs in Mosque in Cyprus, Turkish army agents in West Turkey last year , mafia peole died in a government car accident several years ago and many many others.
why now to be something different ? If PKK today was actually able to kill 17 Turkish soldiers at once then Turkish army would invated even China by now!!!!

[shahmaran]

Epsilon, honestly, i find your suggestion preposterous, not only becayse Turkey has actually anything to gain from entering Iraq other then giving many more casualties and hopefully eradicating the PKK and capturing the 12 main leaders they are after, but also because the information you have got about the recent attacks is not accurate nor complete, because this is what i think:

1 - Turkish army was never accused of such an event let alone it being proved and accepted as such, if they have i have never heard of it and i would love to see your source

2 - PKK attacks have resumed 3 years ago, in 2004 and i think Turkey has been pretty patient waiting this long, considering most cuntries would have reacted much sooner ie. Israel has bombed Lebanon immediately after the capture of only 2 soldiers and the US after 9/11 but lets not even go there.

3 - Turkish government doesnt need to resort to such conspiracies since they are actually under pressure from the public now because they are exposing themselves as the actual incompetent idiots which they are and seem to be more interested in their Islamic agendas then anything and suprizingly, are STILL after diplomatic means in order to avoid upsetting the bastards in the White House. Mean while the public is protesting left and right all over the country and the PKK is using this opportunity to boost their attacks on the East.

4 - The attacks you are reffering to on the 21st of October was indeed and ambush, which resulted in the death of 12 Turkish soldiers, 32 PKK terrorists, the attack prior to this one was on the 7th of October which again resulted in the death of 13 Turkish soldiers and 1 PKK terrorist.

So my friend, it is highly unlikely that Turkey is fabricating excuses to move into Iraq, if anything they are being very reluctant and not being aggressive enough, considering the recent events.

[EPSILON]

Epsilon, honestly, i find your suggestion preposterous, not only becayse Turkey has actually anything to gain from entering Iraq other then giving many more casualties and hopefully eradicating the PKK and capturing the 12 main leaders they are after, but also because the information you have got about the recent attacks is not accurate nor complete, because this is what i think:

1 - Turkish army was never accused of such an event let alone it being proved and accepted as such, if they have i have never heard of it and i would love to see your source

2 - PKK attacks have resumed 3 years ago, in 2004 and i think Turkey has been pretty patient waiting this long, considering most cuntries would have reacted much sooner ie. Israel has bombed Lebanon immediately after the capture of only 2 soldiers and the US after 9/11 but lets not even go there.

3 - Turkish government doesnt need to resort to such conspiracies since they are actually under pressure from the public now because they are exposing themselves as the actual incompetent idiots which they are and seem to be more interested in their Islamic agendas then anything and suprizingly, are STILL after diplomatic means in order to avoid upsetting the bastards in the White House. Mean while the public is protesting left and right all over the country and the PKK is using this opportunity to boost their attacks on the East.

4 - The attacks you are reffering to on the 21st of October was indeed and ambush, which resulted in the death of 12 Turkish soldiers, 32 PKK terrorists, the attack prior to this one was on the 7th of October which again resulted in the death of 13 Turkish soldiers and 1 PKK terrorist.

So my friend, it is highly unlikely that Turkey is fabricating excuses to move into Iraq, if anything they are being very reluctant and not being aggressive enough, considering the recent events.

My friend it seems that you still believe or consider that the aim of an invasion in Iraq is to destroy the 3500 PKK terrorists , if you like to call them this way personally i do not have any objection on basis they have killed unarmed people in certain occasions. Personally i believe that Turkey's aim has nothing to do with such a small target- 100000 soldiers can not invate a foreign country to fight 3500 fighters who have not even a tug or airplane. The aim of course is OIL but unfortunately Americans went there first and therefore no luck this time.This what made the Generals so agry. To fight 3500 Kurds is simple even for the Cyprus army not for the 2nd bigger army in NATO.

[shahmaran]

Well then i have no objection to your diluted conspiracies either...

There are many good reasons why the PKK could not be eradicated completely since the late 70s which i cannot be bothered to get into only to change your mind about Turks and Turkey.

Thats over 30 years of good "excuses" to invade Iraq, oil or not, way before the Americans had a chance to do it, but even if it was for oil why do it now when there are so many people in there already who are against us entering the country? Also let me remind you that we have already been in there more then 20 times since, why is this one so special and "oil oriented" ?