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[miltiades]

MALAKA WROTE :
""""YASIOU RE MILTIADI MAGA, KARAPOUSIOUKLH, ME THN MEGALH POLITIKH SOY PEDEIA.ME KATI TYPOYS SAN KAI ESENA H KYPROS KATANTISE EKEI POY EINAI SHMERA- OPOIOS LEEI KATI DIAFORETIKO APO ESAS TA SAINIA EINAI FASISTAS H KOUMMOUNISTHS. DEN PATE NA KOYREVTHTE OLOI SAS!!!!!

If the Cypriots were not running around shouting Ellas , Enosi me tin mitera Ellada , and if the majority shared my views that Cyprus is an independent nation and shall remain so , Turkey would not have been give the green light by the Junta malakes of the time and thousands of people would not have lost their lives .
I do not expect a minion such as you , a mere dwarf in political perspectives to understand this , preciselyy why you along with Eri Daya, Shahmara , VP and other partitionists share the same view that we have a Greek Cyprus and a Turkish Cyprus.
Go back to school and learn the criteria that determines a nations' statehood.

OK CLEVER CYPRIOT-CAN YOU SHOW M EVEN ONE POST OF MINE SUPPORTING ENOSIS (UNION) WITH GREECE?

IT would be much better if people repeating words like Malaka over three times to be excluded of posting since they are not in position to discuss with anybody exempt with themelves, frond of the mirror.

To be Greek, clever man, a Greek of Cyprus does not mean that you want union with Greece. Is just mean that you have the mind to understand history and not to stuck in theories which given to you in a plate after 60's.I can bate on the fact that you have not even finished the elementary school and this is the main reason for which you can not communicate like a human but always shouting like an animal.

My dear moron what the hell are you talking about , your English lets you down and I understand that , but do try to be a little more clear .
I object to any one who refers to Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish , it is not a question of respecting others' opinions but a question of correcting those who disregard the internationally accepted protocols concerning the legal definition of a nation , in this instance Cyprus , not North or South , nor Greek or Turkish. You have allied your self with the separatists and those that wish to see the status quo become a legality.You are by your own admissions a separatist , a partitionist and a rouble rouser.
Education , for your information , is not the issue here , hense my willingness to respond to you . I have called you a malaka because only an absolute wanker would call a 62 year old grand father a pousti , I know you commonly refer to each other in Athens as Poustides but was hoping that you may desist from such insulting language when dealing with those much older than your self.

[EPSILON]

MALAKA WROTE :
""""YASIOU RE MILTIADI MAGA, KARAPOUSIOUKLH, ME THN MEGALH POLITIKH SOY PEDEIA.ME KATI TYPOYS SAN KAI ESENA H KYPROS KATANTISE EKEI POY EINAI SHMERA- OPOIOS LEEI KATI DIAFORETIKO APO ESAS TA SAINIA EINAI FASISTAS H KOUMMOUNISTHS. DEN PATE NA KOYREVTHTE OLOI SAS!!!!!

If the Cypriots were not running around shouting Ellas , Enosi me tin mitera Ellada , and if the majority shared my views that Cyprus is an independent nation and shall remain so , Turkey would not have been give the green light by the Junta malakes of the time and thousands of people would not have lost their lives .
I do not expect a minion such as you , a mere dwarf in political perspectives to understand this , preciselyy why you along with Eri Daya, Shahmara , VP and other partitionists share the same view that we have a Greek Cyprus and a Turkish Cyprus.
Go back to school and learn the criteria that determines a nations' statehood.

OK CLEVER CYPRIOT-CAN YOU SHOW M EVEN ONE POST OF MINE SUPPORTING ENOSIS (UNION) WITH GREECE?

IT would be much better if people repeating words like Malaka over three times to be excluded of posting since they are not in position to discuss with anybody exempt with themelves, frond of the mirror.

To be Greek, clever man, a Greek of Cyprus does not mean that you want union with Greece. Is just mean that you have the mind to understand history and not to stuck in theories which given to you in a plate after 60's.I can bate on the fact that you have not even finished the elementary school and this is the main reason for which you can not communicate like a human but always shouting like an animal.

My dear moron what the hell are you talking about , your English lets you down and I understand that , but do try to be a little more clear .
I object to any one who refers to Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish , it is not a question of respecting others' opinions but a question of correcting those who disregard the internationally accepted protocols concerning the legal definition of a nation , in this instance Cyprus , not North or South , nor Greek or Turkish. You have allied your self with the separatists and those that wish to see the status quo become a legality.You are by your own admissions a separatist , a partitionist and a rouble rouser.
Education , for your information , is not the issue here , hense my willingness to respond to you . I have called you a malaka because only an absolute wanker would call a 62 year old grand father a pousti , I know you commonly refer to each other in Athens as Poustides but was hoping that you may desist from such insulting language when dealing with those much older than your self.

Ok Miltiades, now we are talking. Deleting two/three words, this is the most serious post i have seen from your old!!hands.


Now I understand that you based your position on the "international protocols"!!!

Who is the other side here dear Meltiades? The international protocls? mainland Greece? or Turkish occupation forces?

With whom we have to negotiate and agree a solution dear Meltiades? With international protocols? Mainland Greece? Tcs? or with the occupation forces?

Who has the authority/power to approve/sign an agreement from the other side dear Meltiades? International protocol? Mainland Greece? Tcs? or the occupation forces and their superiors in Ankara?

In all questions dear Meltiades the answer is always the last one!!!

I remind you that these occupation forces/Ankara generals won a war in Cyprus. Do not forget this important factor.

If you declare yourselve/us as simple Cypriots , which per international protocol ,you quoted ,means to be same Tcs and Gcs this allow the party which has the military/political power to present themselves as guarantors of all Cypriots and shareholders of all the teritory of the Island.

You do not have base to defend defferent, culture,language, ethnicity, history,even religion and threrefore the winner of he war wll not have even the liability to respect , at least, these defferent factors.

What you said is that yes, I am Greek, but i have to hide this from international community with the hope they feel sorry about me and help me. The winner of a war dear Meltiades do not understand such things. They require the bonus and benefits of their win. This what you and many others in Cyprus do not understand.

You think that ,because you have the right in your side, the solution will take this into account and this is your and many others, including politicians mistake.The winner of the war will ask the terms of the solution and the negotiations related only on the wording, how to present these terms to the victims.

Dear Meltiades these saying that ,by loosing your history base, culture, origin,language,religion,ETHNICITY, you are very close to loose everything, they are right.

To be Greek, even to have a Greek flag at home and to try to improve your Greek dialog to a Greek language can not be a crime, because some fanatics use these certain thems as their symbols and propaganta.

If this was the case all minland Greeks or Spanish or others should changed Ethicity because they had a certain period with a dictatorship.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Of course, everyone does. But how that is achieved is another matter.

what would be the correct method in your mind to accompish their self determination..which appears to be an independant state?

I could not say.

I guess the "correct method" depends on which side you are looking from.

Unfortunately we live in an unfair world where the "correct method" is relevant to whom is superior. Which usually leaves the oppressed having to resort to "incorrect methods"

Great answer bro. Cant say we have agreed on much,yet I must say I agree with you 110% on this.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Turkey turning to Israel as its only supporter in its failure to accept responsibility for the genocide. It's a crying shame that a nation that has suffered the Holocaust should be helping this denial.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 101947.ece

Well maybe their stance should tell you something!

The Armenians have shot themselves on the foot by CONSTANTLY putting forth bogus evidence such as the "hitler quote".....if there was to be some sort of investigation, the Armenians ASWELL AS Turkey would be exposed and have a lot to answer for, hence why Turkey always says "lets investigate" knowing full well the Armenians will NEVER accept as it would raise doubts on the Armenian story.

Most people agree it was genocide, no amount of resolutions are going to bring these people back. Its time people moved on.

TC That Hitler quote is in MIEN KEMPF,the book written by Adolf Hitler. If Turkey wants to go threw archives this should happen after Armenia and Turkey exchange ambassadors. I also believe the Austrian, German and Hungarian archives should be opened since they had soldiers in the Anatolia during this period of time.

[GreekForumer]

TC That Hitler quote is in MIEN KEMPF,the book written by Adolf Hitler. If Turkey wants to go threw archives this should happen after Armenia and Turkey exchange ambassadors. I also believe the Austrian, German and Hungarian archives should be opened since they had soldiers in the Anatolia during this period of time.

No, ARMENIAN CYPRIOT. That quote is definitely not in Mein Kampf.


Here is some info.

Hitler briefed his generals at Obersalzburg in 1939 on the eve of the Polish invasion:
`Genghis Khan had millions of women and men killed by his own will and with a gay heart.History sees him only as a great state-builder ...I have sent my Death's Head units to the East with the order to kill without mercy men, women and children of the Polish race or language.Only in such a way will we win the lebensraum that we need.
Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?'

Quoted in Norman Davies, Europe, A History, London: Pimlico, 1997, p.909.The account is taken from the notes of Admiral Canaris of 22 August 1939, quoted by L.P.Lochner, What About Germany?, New York: Dodd, Mead, 1942.

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805217/87 ... xcerpt.pdf

[denizaksulu]

TC That Hitler quote is in MIEN KEMPF,the book written by Adolf Hitler. If Turkey wants to go threw archives this should happen after Armenia and Turkey exchange ambassadors. I also believe the Austrian, German and Hungarian archives should be opened since they had soldiers in the Anatolia during this period of time.

No, ARMENIAN CYPRIOT. That quote is definitely not in Mein Kampf.


Here is some info.

Hitler briefed his generals at Obersalzburg in 1939 on the eve of the Polish invasion:
`Genghis Khan had millions of women and men killed by his own will and with a gay heart.History sees him only as a great state-builder ...I have sent my Death's Head units to the East with the order to kill without mercy men, women and children of the Polish race or language.Only in such a way will we win the lebensraum that we need.
Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?'

Quoted in Norman Davies, Europe, A History, London: Pimlico, 1997, p.909.The account is taken from the notes of Admiral Canaris of 22 August 1939, quoted by L.P.Lochner, What About Germany?, New York: Dodd, Mead, 1942.

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805217/87 ... xcerpt.pdf

Innocent civilians have died as a result of war on both sides. But the Armenians were not annihilated. many still lived in Turkey, in the cities and took part in the cultural development of modern Turkey. If there was a determined effort of 'ethnic cleansing' or 'annihilation', I doubt a single Armenian would exist till this day.

....and since when do we heed what Herr Heitler had to say? Oh, yes. He pointed the finger at Turkey.

[T_C]

TC That Hitler quote is in MIEN KEMPF,the book written by Adolf Hitler. If Turkey wants to go threw archives this should happen after Armenia and Turkey exchange ambassadors. I also believe the Austrian, German and Hungarian archives should be opened since they had soldiers in the Anatolia during this period of time.

No, ARMENIAN CYPRIOT. That quote is definitely not in Mein Kampf.


Here is some info.

Hitler briefed his generals at Obersalzburg in 1939 on the eve of the Polish invasion:
`Genghis Khan had millions of women and men killed by his own will and with a gay heart.History sees him only as a great state-builder ...I have sent my Death's Head units to the East with the order to kill without mercy men, women and children of the Polish race or language.Only in such a way will we win the lebensraum that we need.
Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?'

Quoted in Norman Davies, Europe, A History, London: Pimlico, 1997, p.909.The account is taken from the notes of Admiral Canaris of 22 August 1939, quoted by L.P.Lochner, What About Germany?, New York: Dodd, Mead, 1942.

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805217/87 ... xcerpt.pdf

It was a FAKE! I will find you the article tonight where an Armenian historian himself says its HOAX!

But heres a little something from the news a few weeks ago....

On August 22, 1939, just days before the outbreak of World War II, Adolf Hitler met with his army generals. When he explained why he had decided to attack Poland, he assured them that the world would keep silent: "Who, after all, speaks today about the annihilation of the Armenians?," Hitler reasoned. This sentence has been quoted countless times as ostensible proof that the Armenian genocide served as a kind of "general rehearsal" for the annihilation of European Jewry. At the Holocaust Museum in Washington, these words are etched on one of the walls.

Approximately 1.5 million Armenians were killed by the Turks during World War I. It was genocide; however, the quote attributed to Hitler is of dubious provenance. It originated with a well-known American journalist, Louis Lochner, an AP reporter in Nazi Germany and a Pulitzer Prize winner. Lochner reported on Hitler's speech in a book he published in 1942. After the war, Lochner gave a version of the speech to the American prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials. The prosecutor was not satisfied, because he didn't know the source of the speech, nor under what circumstances it was leaked to the reporter. He dispatched his people to search for the official version.

It turned out that on that day, Hitler gave two speeches. The Americans managed to locate the official version of both; the line about the slaughter of the Armenians does not appear in either. The version Lochner got hold of was apparently a mix of the two. The prosecution in Nuremberg decided not to submit the reporter's version to the court, but did leak it to the press; the prosecutor apologized in court for the leak and claimed it occurred by mistake. At any rate, this is how the citation entered the heritage of the Armenian holocaust.

It was a fake...there is no doubt about it.

[bg_turk]

TC That Hitler quote is in MIEN KEMPF,the book written by Adolf Hitler. If Turkey wants to go threw archives this should happen after Armenia and Turkey exchange ambassadors. I also believe the Austrian, German and Hungarian archives should be opened since they had soldiers in the Anatolia during this period of time.

You are misinformed. The alleged Hitler quote is not in Mein Kampf, it comes from a speech made by Hitler, and not from any written or published text from Hitler. That is why it is so hard to establish its authenticity.

The quotes comes from the following paragpraph:
"Unsere Stärke ist unsere Schnelligkeit und unsere Brutalität. Dschingis Khan hat Millionen Frauen und Kinder in den Tod gejagt, bewußt und fröhlichen Herzens. Die Geschichte sieht in ihm nur den großen Staatengründer. Was die schwache westeuropäische Zivilisation über mich behauptet, ist gleichgültig. Ich habe den Befehl gegeben — und ich lasse jeden füsilieren, der auch nur ein Wort der Kritik äußert — daß das Kriegsziel nicht im Erreichen von bestimmten Linien, sondern in der physischen Vernichtung des Gegners besteht. So habe ich, einstweilen nur im Osten, meine Totenkopfverbände bereitgestellt mit dem Befehl, unbarmherzig und mitleidslos Mann, Weib und Kind polnischer Abstammung und Sprache in den Tod zu schicken. Nur so gewinnen wir den Lebensraum, den wir brauchen. Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?"

and is part of "Akten zur deutschen auswärtigen Politik" (ser. D, vol. 7, 1961) which was in the possession of American journalist. In 1945 he presented the document to the Nuremberg trials. It was however rejected as not authentic.