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[boulio]

or maybe they know how it's to pass through a genocide and thus are not afraid of trading with the turkish cypriot nation.

does anyone have a confirmed list of people that died in cyprus from 1963-1974 from both sides,i would prefer it from a independent source these figures.statements like the one above from tcypriot make me sick and tired of the same old story,so i would really appreciate it if someone can post real figures and not shot from the mouth the same old propaganda.[/quote]

[boulio]

the silence is deafening

[Saint Jimmy]

the silence is deafening

Lol

Sorry man, nothing here *still laughing*

[boulio]

dosent anyone have a real,objective report of how many people died?

[KELEBEK]

Nobody, as the G/C administration prevents it, it does not want its reputation ruined by talk of massacres.

Look at how much trouble Antonis Aganstinyiotis (producer of Voice of blood) suffers in the South from his own people.

[erolz]

does anyone have a confirmed list of people that died in cyprus from 1963-1974 from both sides,i would prefer it from a independent source these figures.statements like the one above from tcypriot make me sick and tired of the same old story,so i would really appreciate it if someone can post real figures and not shot from the mouth the same old propaganda.

I am not really sure what you are asking for? Do you think that some independent body has made a list of the names of the indivduals who where killed in this period? I do not think such a list exists. There are TC documents and 'lists' (memorials) to the dead on their side - but why would you believe these any more than anything else.

The documentary record of independent journalist in this period is large and not that hard to find if you want an 'indpendent' view as to what was really happening. Again their are some TC 'propaganda' books that contains vast numbers of clippings from the worlds press from this period. If you want I could lend you such books?

[boulio]

what about the UN peace keeping forces who has been in cyprus since the early sixties?or the british who have been in cyprus for over a century?im sure if they really wanted to and if the facts existed they could present it.concerning independent journalist i have seen a few clippings and articles on the internet and yes they do claim some numbers but nothing hard in evidence.

[erolz]

what about the UN peace keeping forces who has been in cyprus since the early sixties?or the british who have been in cyprus for over a century?im sure if they really wanted to and if the facts existed they could present it.concerning independent journalist i have seen a few clippings and articles on the internet and yes they do claim some numbers but nothing hard in evidence.

There are countless UN documents and UK ones that detail deaths in specific incidents but I know of no 'independent' attempt to compile a comprehensive list. Why do you feel you need this list? What is it that you are really seeking? A final 'score'? 4 - 1 to the GC? I really do not understand what you think you want?

There are several memorials to TC that died in the north that you are free to visit. Many with pictures of the dead (whilst they were living). Would than consitute 'hard evidence' for you?

[boulio]

read the first post of this thread,i will be honest with you and im sure it happened on both sides of the fence but its get a little played out this whole topic of you killed us,you put us in ghettos,you took our rights you raped our women.im sure incidents occured on both sides of the fence like i stated but now we are comparing what happened in cyprus to what the jews went thru?and for christ sakes the jews were unarmed the t/c had militias and turkish advisors.that is why i want a list because i have people in this forum that used the word genocide to loosley and i keep hearing t/c politicians labeling a govt.that is recognized by the way as a terrorist state.produce your facts and lets get it over with,dont wuestion my motives,ive posted this in another forum and not one turk came back with hard evidence.again i must riterate4 i do not condone what might of happened in cyprus,but turks as well should not run around and yell genocide as well.

[erolz]

read the first post of this thread,i will be honest with you and im sure it happened on both sides of the fence but its get a little played out this whole topic of you killed us,you put us in ghettos,you took our rights you raped our women.im sure incidents occured on both sides of the fence like i stated but now we are comparing what happened in cyprus to what the jews went thru?

Where is that comparison being made? With the use of the word genocide? You do not have to be as 'efficent' as the Nazis where towards the jews for it to be genocide. Genocide is for me defined in the motivation of acts, not the acts themsleves. If the motivation is to remove an ehtnic group from an area then it is genocide, even if you do not gas 6 million of them in camps.

The thing to remeber about this period and the idea of it being 'tit for tat' or 'equal' on both sides is that the GC community was numericaly, miltarialy and politicaly more powerful after 63 than the TC community. This is the 'characteristic' that is relevant as far as I am concerned. It was undeniably a case of the strong against the weak - so whilst there undoubtedly where despicable acts perpetrated on both sides in no way was there an 'equality' to what happend.

and for christ sakes the jews were unarmed the t/c had militias and turkish advisors.that is why i want a list because i have people in this forum that used the word genocide to loosley and i keep hearing t/c politicians labeling a govt.that is recognized by the way as a terrorist state.produce your facts and lets get it over with,dont wuestion my motives,ive posted this in another forum and not one turk came back with hard evidence.again i must riterate4 i do not condone what might of happened in cyprus,but turks as well should not run around and yell genocide as well.

If you want lists I could provide them for you. Not complete perhaps but substantial. However why should I go to all this trouble on your behalf - especially when you tell me not to 'question why you want these lists'.
If you have a problem with the use of the word genocide then please feel free to argue your case. Do not think however that any 'list' will either prove or disprove that there was 'genocide' going on in Cyprus at that time. Or do you think otherwise? At what number of TC deaths would you accept use of the word genocide? At 1% of the population? At 5%? At 30% ? At 50%?