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[pitsilos]

ok, without actually going too into detail, lets just establish some facts,

First of all there are NO Americans waiting to be salvaged in Iraq.
correct, but are you saying that countries shouldn't invade to save the masses

Secondly, Americas initial and crucial excuse for an invasion was the threat of biological weapons and the alledged connection between Al Queda and Saddam.
and you believe this right? bush also mentioned he was liberating iraq

Finally, Bush has used freedom and the desparate Iraqis who need resque from their evil tyrant, as the "catch" of his little invasion, it was the "positive side" of his little plan in order to get support from the Iraqis and the rest of the World, and lets not forget to mention the fact that he has FAILED in all of these points. Therefore prooving one more time that the US government is nothing but a bunch of Emperialist cunts who dont only give a shit about other nations but also dont give a shit about global warming.
so you are saying bush was wrong in wanting to liberate the masses?

so whats your idea? and let me just say that please dont go to that 5 year period before 74 where everything was sweet and dandy untill the evil Turks invaded, because there is not 1 TC from that time who would aggree with you...
and why not go back to 5 years before the invasion, its not a fact? its a lie? why would the tcs won't agree, because its a fabrication?
furter more turkey invaded after the coup was put down and not while it was happening andother fact. and during the coup not one tc was harmed.


shahmaran you seem to have 2 sets of values here my friend and that makes you shifty

you just can't have it both ways, unless you like to have it both ways

[shahmaran]

ok, without actually going too into detail, lets just establish some facts,

First of all there are NO Americans waiting to be salvaged in Iraq.
correct, but are you saying that countries shouldn't invade to save the masses

Secondly, Americas initial and crucial excuse for an invasion was the threat of biological weapons and the alledged connection between Al Queda and Saddam.
and you believe this right? bush also mentioned he was liberating iraq

Finally, Bush has used freedom and the desparate Iraqis who need resque from their evil tyrant, as the "catch" of his little invasion, it was the "positive side" of his little plan in order to get support from the Iraqis and the rest of the World, and lets not forget to mention the fact that he has FAILED in all of these points. Therefore prooving one more time that the US government is nothing but a bunch of Emperialist cunts who dont only give a shit about other nations but also dont give a shit about global warming.
so you are saying bush was wrong in wanting to liberate the masses?

so whats your idea? and let me just say that please dont go to that 5 year period before 74 where everything was sweet and dandy untill the evil Turks invaded, because there is not 1 TC from that time who would aggree with you...
and why not go back to 5 years before the invasion, its not a fact? its a lie? why would the tcs won't agree, because its a fabrication?
furter more turkey invaded after the coup was put down and not while it was happening andother fact. and during the coup not one tc was harmed.


shahmaran you seem to have 2 sets of values here my friend and that makes you shifty

you just can't have it both ways, unless you like to have it both ways

see this is exctly my point, your genius plan has brought nothing and i mean NOTHING to what has already been chewed MANY times over and over again in this forum.

i did not say countries shouldnt help other people, ESPECIALLY when thoose other people are their OWN people.

i did not say Bush was wrong, i said Bush was LYING and USING liberty in order to finish off what his father had started (lets not roget that Saddam was a good buddy of his and got into power with US help) while killig many Iraqis by the time he actually got hold off Saddam, and this doesnt even cover the perpatuation of the murders that is caused by the mess he has left behind...so you can see why his "liberation" claim doesnt exactly fit.

and stop with your stupid "fabrication" stories, this is not a conspiracy theory! no TC was harmed before 74, except they were all locked up into their villages in order to starve and live in horrendous conditions and so forth, who was going to help them, the Greek??



so, THIS is exactly what i said it would be, we have achieved NOTHING except re-establish the fact that we both dissaggree on the basic facts of the conflict and that we obviously need a whole new outlook on the problem...

[pitsilos]

there you go you deplore bush and the invasion but you justify turkey why is that?

i guess in your view, an iraqi is worth more than a cypriot right?

oh a question before i hit the sack, for one year after the war tcs were living in the south, were they also locked up in enclaves in the south?

listen shahmaran, i lived very near, the turkish neighbourhoods in limassol, and i have first hand experience what it was like. not eveyone lived in enclaves. further more why was it necessary to have a un convoy in 63 just to go to kyrenia from nicosia? i guess the road went right through the enclaves right?

i gave you my experience before in 63 and the bombshelters what it was like.

the question is simple. do you support invasions to save the masses? if yes then bush is justified and you should stop arguing with miltiades.

you can't have it both ways my friend. have need cojones to stand up for what you believe. keep this in mind

an injustice is an injustice.

Gnight shahmaran

[shahmaran]

there you go you deplore bush and the invasion but you justify turkey why is that?

i guess in your view, an iraqi is worth more than a cypriot right?

oh a question before i hit the sack, for one year after the war tcs were living in the south, were they also locked up in enclaves in the south?

listen shahmaran, i lived very near, the turkish neighbourhoods in limassol, and i have first hand experience what it was like. not eveyone lived in enclaves. further more why was it necessary to have a un convoy in 63 just to go to kyrenia from nicosia? i guess the road went right through the enclaves right?

i gave you my experience before in 63 and the bombshelters what it was like.

the question is simple. do you support invasions to save the masses? if yes then bush is justified and you should stop arguing with miltiades.

you can't have it both ways my friend. have need cojones to stand up for what you believe. keep this in mind

an injustice is an injustice.

Gnight shahmaran

did you even read what i have written??!

there is a VAST difference between helping people and pretending to be helping people....

you are right my friend, you should sleep...

[pitsilos]

so you saying bush was pretending? god i am a fool, but then again why should i believe you and not bush, after all he is the president of the us, and again who are you?

i think bush, a good christian that he is, felt compel and ordered by god to save souls and to this day i go to church and light up a candle to his name.

and i know deep down you feel the same. you support invasions, killings, ethinc cleansing, etc.

one final thing before i sign off you didn't answer me if an iraqi injustice is worth more than a cypriot injustice. i include all cypriots here not just the gc.

maybe you should ponder on this one for a while longer before answering.

in my book an injustice is an injustice. whats in your book shahmaran?

now i am gong to bed, had to finish my last smoke

[shahmaran]

i didnt ask you to believe me or anything of that sort, YOU asked me what i thought and why i would oppose the US politics and i told you thats that, lets just say i find the Americans as conspiring as you find the Turks shall we