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[humanist]

I have to say I tend to support Miltiades on his argument in this case.

Zany Zany Zan Zan, I don't know you froma bar of soap but I can't help but love you, go figure?

[shahmaran]

Lena, "people" is the PLURAL version of "person" my love, but leave that to a side, do you actually EVER pay attention to what i say woman!



...anyway read my post AGAIN, like Pyr has pointed out, i said elderly people DO NOT want unification, not the other way around, so askimwos you have misread, and Lena you have supported his mistake because of your carelessness

and about the recognition, I have to say (as i always do ) i am quite and evolutionist and i just believe in human nature, i believe that 2 decent nations on a tiny piece of land will eventually see that unification is nothing but logical and natural (as it is globally), that is why i dont think the GCs should see our demand for recognition as a definitive solution nor as a threat.

But this is just my opinion and i truly believe that this island WILL EVENTUALLY UNITE, one way or another and it is in our hands to control HOW it happens and HOW LONG it takes, therefore it only makes sense to put what has been done to a side and start over as EQUALS, like it was meant to be almost 50 years ago, and this time actually MAKE it happen!

Like askimwos says "a lot has changed since" (which Zan, as eloquently and rightfully, opposes as usual), which might be true but i just fail to see that since all i see from the RoC is opposition, isolation, vetos and propaganda, come on man are we all CYPRIOTS or what? what will it take to break out of this loop? because clearly, the blame game is definately not doing it...

[humanist]

Shan I do not rust that fang....

[shahmaran]

Shan I do not rust that fang....

humanist what?

you have fangs or you do not trust a thang, or are you not even talking to me?


sorry



my god are you stoned?!

[Viewpoint]

I could go on and on oulining differences between now and then. Anyway I am really amazed by how much some young people from both sides are stuck in the past even if they hadn't lived thosed events. The fact that you aknowledge that its mostly old TCs that want unification of the island shows that it is not the events of 1963 and 1974 that make you thing this was but the very effective progaganda thatpoisoned younf people's way of thinking. And I am afraid shahmaran that you are one of the victims of propaganda that people like VP made a proffesion of spreading.

Askimwos really, I couldn’t agree with you more!!!!!

askimwos, why dont you ask the GC youth who beat up the TC child in the English school playground, not so long ago.

[askimwos]

I could go on and on oulining differences between now and then. Anyway I am really amazed by how much some young people from both sides are stuck in the past even if they hadn't lived thosed events. The fact that you aknowledge that its mostly old TCs that want unification of the island shows that it is not the events of 1963 and 1974 that make you thing this was but the very effective progaganda thatpoisoned younf people's way of thinking. And I am afraid shahmaran that you are one of the victims of propaganda that people like VP made a proffesion of spreading.

Askimwos really, I couldn’t agree with you more!!!!!

askimwos, why dont you ask the GC youth who beat up the TC child in the English school playground, not so long ago.

If you cared to read my post carefully enogh you would have noticed that I said the same thing for both communities. Those kids that beat the TCs in english school are equally my enemy as people like you are vp. In every society there is bound to be people that are nationalists and act in a fascistic way (eoka b and tmt in the past - grey wolfs and "blue wolfs" now). The question is whether ordinary people today are willing to go head to head and isolate these nationalistic elements in both sides? My answer to this is YES - people today react to these acts and I am sure me, humanist, kikapu, birkisirli, lena..the great majority anyway will not stand back and watch.
But again there are people like you that smile and enjoy in a dark sort of way what happened in english school and are quick to spread the word and promote hatred. What you forgot to mention vp is the huge outcry that followed this event with all layers of society giving a loud and clear signal that these acts will not be tolerated any more. You also forgot to mention that other GCs kids from english school got in the middle of the fight and went head to head with these nationalist bastards..not to mention what followed the next weeks in schools with these kids being in a not that civilised way "punished" by their co-students.

Give us a break mate...propaganda is one thing...but in your case is a proffession!!!

[pitsilos]

vp is a pro in every sence of the word

[Viewpoint]

askimwos

If you cared to read my post carefully you would have noticed that I said the same tning for both communities.

and what was I doing giving you a prime example of Gc children when I have one of TC children beating up a GC ı will post that as well, that OK now?

Those kids that beat the TCs in english school are equally my enemy as people like you are vp.

You can dumb me your enemy I do not have a problem with this at least I know where I stand and that living united with people like yourself would make me very uncomfortable and regret ever having made the mistake of thinking that my views would be respected and not down trodden.

The question is are ordinary people today willing to go head to head and isolate these nationalistic elements in both sides? My answer to this is YES - people today react to these acts and I am sure me, humanist, kikapu, birkisirli, lena..the great majority will not stand and watch.

Just like did in the 1963....1974 and 2007 why aren't you on the streets protesting or applying pressure on your elected leaders? why aren't you getting rid of Papadop who has done nothing for your claimed cause. There are many ways of just standing by doing nothing and GC are still exhibiting the same actions of the past by keeping us isolated different box same present.

But again there are people like you that smile and enjoy in a dark way what happened in english school and are quick to spread the word and promote hatred.

So quoting what happened to understand why it happened is now called promoting hatred do you rather we ignored it brush it under the carpet and totally ignore the brainwashed youth education systems can produce.

What you forgot to mention vp is the huge outcry that followed this event with all layers of society giving a loud and clear signal that these will not be tolerated ever again. You also forgot to mention that other GCs kids from english school got in the middle of the fight and went head to head with these nationalist bastards..not to mention what followed the next weeks in schools with these kids being in a not that civilised way "punished" by their co-students.

What did happen to those kids? or did rich daddy get them off the hook like always?

Give us a break mate...propaganda is one thing but in your case is a proffession!!!

You to can jump on the band wagon because when you are no different from the rest of the utopianists, its the easy route if you have difficulties dealing with someones viewpoint you might as well dub them propaganda that makes it all go away but the reality is that it wont and the VPs of this country will be around for a long time to come. Unless you start to accept and listen to what we are saying without dismissing it then you will never be able to portray or convey that what you say is genuine, all us to be equals and then we will talk about how to unify.

[pitsilos]

all us to be equals and then we will talk about how to unify

we can't be equal because we ain't and we refuse to be thieves.

how about stop being a thief and then we talk on how to unify?

[askimwos]

Not surprised that you cannot read through the lines and you interpreted the notion "enemy" literally. You are my enemy in terms of your ideology and way of thinking and not someone I want to harm. But again how stupid of me to not have thought that you will once again twist things and present them as it suits your cause. It is views like these (from both sides) that have destroyed our country...and all these to the benefit of motherland Turkey and co.

Quoting what happend is not promoting hatred on its own, its the spin and twist that goes with it that is propaganda. I am sure that if a TC kid decides to beat a GC kid because they argued about who is going to play a game first, people with the same agenda as you will jump again and say "see what happens when we mix? better to stay apart!"

In the past nationalist from both sides played this game - TMT even went as far as bombing a TC shop (property?) in order to blame the other side and spread propaganda that led to intercommunal fights in nicosia - as a result the green line split my home town in two sectors - and don't ask me for independent sources this time - all you have to do is search for Denktash's admittance of the insidence.

As for Tpap he is an elected president and what makes you so sure that pressure is not applied to him - there is pressure and quite a lot to get back to negotiations, this is provided that Talat and Turkey agree. But I do not think that any GC will ever apply pressure to Tpap to recognise trnc and to allow direct flights.

I will ignore your comment about utopianists...