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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:27 pm

cypezokyli wrote:isnt the acceptance of BBF a step towards a solution ?


The last BBf was rejected.
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Postby askimwos » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:36 pm

Just see beyond the words. The annan plan was some form of BBF but it handed way too much power to Turkey over Cyprus. It just created a country that would have been a hostage in the hands of the motherlands and GB.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:38 pm

askimwos wrote:Just see beyond the words. The annan plan was some form of BBF but it handed way too much power to Turkey over Cyprus. It just created a country that would have been a hostage to the motherlands and GB.


Then why hasn't Papadop been trying to resolve those issues with TCs? whats he waiting for? re-election?
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Postby humanist » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:53 pm

Joanna does not represnt all of the Greek Speaking Cypriot population, I want unification because we are all human beings and I am sure we can get along f we are allowed to do so, I believe in human rights and the right for evryone to live in a free coutry, where they want to live and work and choose what they do with their property. I do not believe that Turkey is acxting on behalf of Turkish Cypriots and I want themn to join in a free Cyprus where all Cypriots have equal rights to access and benefits of social, cultural, economic, educational domains of Cypriot life,

Free of the poms also.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:57 pm

humanist wrote:Joanna does not represnt all of the Greek Speaking Cypriot population, I want unification because we are all human beings and I am sure we can get along f we are allowed to do so, I believe in human rights and the right for evryone to live in a free coutry, where they want to live and work and choose what they do with their property. I do not believe that Turkey is acxting on behalf of Turkish Cypriots and I want themn to join in a free Cyprus where all Cypriots have equal rights to access and benefits of social, cultural, economic, educational domains of Cypriot life,

Free of the poms also.


Create the right conditions and we will.
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Postby humanist » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:03 pm

VP, I hope we can all be productive in this forrum and use it just for that, to create the solution for the Cyprus Problem the more time we spend on sqabling and blaming and expecting the other side to create the right conditions, we are a day away from solving it, if we unite on this forum and use our time constructively I am sure we can come up with the basis of a plan, something we could send to our leaders in a formal manner that they would need to consider it.


If both sides created the right conditions we could unify and come together as a nation and as a peoples that is proud to be Cypriot, regardless of age sex religious or ethnic background. if turkish and greek cypriots make up some of the population of Australia and live and work together in harmony why can they not achieve it in Cyprus?
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Postby askimwos » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:04 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
askimwos wrote:Just see beyond the words. The annan plan was some form of BBF but it handed way too much power to Turkey over Cyprus. It just created a country that would have been a hostage to the motherlands and GB.


Then why hasn't Papadop been trying to resolve those issues with TCs? whats he waiting for? re-election?


And what makes you think that he has not tried? All I remember was AKEL pleading for some changes in the the area of security in order to say yes in the referendum and the TC side and Turkey rejecting them both before and after the referendum. Don't forget that the there is a Congress decision by AKEL on this issue.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:31 pm

humanist wrote:VP, I hope we can all be productive in this forrum and use it just for that, to create the solution for the Cyprus Problem the more time we spend on sqabling and blaming and expecting the other side to create the right conditions, we are a day away from solving it, if we unite on this forum and use our time constructively I am sure we can come up with the basis of a plan, something we could send to our leaders in a formal manner that they would need to consider it.


If both sides created the right conditions we could unify and come together as a nation and as a peoples that is proud to be Cypriot, regardless of age sex religious or ethnic background. if turkish and greek cypriots make up some of the population of Australia and live and work together in harmony why can they not achieve it in Cyprus?



Living in Australia and living your own country are 2 different things humanist, you choose to move to Australia and you know you are going to be ruled by them plus you do not have bad history with them so you are sure they will not try to exploit or dominate you in anyway. We on the other hand are the product of hidden agendas and due to the past we question everything in the future. The GCs have problems dealing with equality and TC have a problem with trusting GCs.

The conditions necessary to encourage one Cypriot people will not come about if the 2 sides do not talk to each other without outside inference. This is where the key is the side with international recognition should be making bold moves towards the TCs showing they have changed and can cater for TCs in a truly democratic and human rights respecting manner. This is not the message we get quite the opposite, instead of creating solutions to problems they take measures to ensure they continue and become even more perplexed, this is how TCs view things and decide that we do not belong in the "RoC" or united with GCs and we are best of going with what we know the TRNC and Turkey.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:34 pm

askimwos wrote:
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askimwos wrote:Just see beyond the words. The annan plan was some form of BBF but it handed way too much power to Turkey over Cyprus. It just created a country that would have been a hostage to the motherlands and GB.


Then why hasn't Papadop been trying to resolve those issues with TCs? whats he waiting for? re-election?


And what makes you think that he has not tried? All I remember was AKEL pleading for some changes in the the area of security in order to say yes in the referendum and the TC side and Turkey rejecting them both before and after the referendum. Don't forget that the there is a Congress decision by AKEL on this issue.


Then why hasn't AKEL raised this with Talat? and made it public via the UN providing details, if these are very small changes I am pretty certain there would not be any objection from the TCs people in fact they would raise their voices and apply pressure on the government and Turkey.
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Postby karma » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:34 pm

Joanna suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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