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[observer]

I am often reading statements like: "Turkey just keeps sending more and more settlers over".

Can anyone point to any evidence that Turkey, as a government, is "sending settlers" any more than the Turkish government is sending settlers to Germany or the Sri Lankan government sending settlers to RoC.

As far as I can see, Turkish citizens TRNC come of their own free will for work, through marriage, because they like the island and want to retire - just like everyone else on either side of the border. And just like everyone else, they need work or residence permits to stay here.

From many of the posts on this forum you would believe that Turkish citizens are forced onto boats coming to Cyprus at gun point and are kept here against their will. Many other EU countries have more overseas Turkish citizens living there than TRNC without this hysterical language. And some of them become citizens of other countries after a period of residence.

[joanna]

Tukey decided after the war, that as the TC population was tiny compared to the GC population, to justify their actions of taking part of the Island by force, they would bump up so to speak, their population with Turkish settlers, in order to make it look like their actions were justified. This has unfortunately made the TC's feel like foreighners in their own country , and forced them to be seperated from the rest of the island. If it were not for theses illegal settlers, then the Cyprus "problem" would have been solved a long time ago. How can Cypriots both TC and GC consider living with the barbarian turks??I feel sorry for all the TC's having to live over there and for them being tarnished with the same brush as the settlers, and i am thankfull for the GC government for not aggreeing on a settlement.

[pitsilos]

i am thankfull for the GC government for not aggreeing on a settlement.

if you have roots in the other side why would you make such a comment?

aren't your roots in the other side cypriots? don't the deserve a better lifestyle with unification?

I am not saying the annan plan was good, i was thinking along the lines, blood is thicker than water.

[observer]

You miss the point. Did the Turkish government send them or did they decide to come by themselves for a variety of reasons.

There are people of different nationalities living in countries other than their birth country all over the world.

Oh, and you are wrong about the Cyprus problem not being solved because of them. Remember the referendum in 2004.

[joanna]

Yes i remember, but why did we not aggree??? because of the settlers not the TC's . And as to your first point as i noted above, the government brought them to bump up the population, its only in recent years that other nationalities have started to migrate there.

[Viewpoint]

Tukey decided after the war, that as the TC population was tiny compared to the GC population, to justify their actions of taking part of the Island by force, they would bump up so to speak, their population with Turkish settlers, in order to make it look like their actions were justified. This has unfortunately made the TC's feel like foreighners in their own country , and forced them to be seperated from the rest of the island. If it were not for theses illegal settlers, then the Cyprus "problem" would have been solved a long time ago. How can Cypriots both TC and GC consider living with the barbarian turks??I feel sorry for all the TC's having to live over there and for them being tarnished with the same brush as the settlers, and i am thankfull for the GC government for not aggreeing on a settlement.

Do you realize what you are saying here? these people filled in the void after 1974 and many have inter married. A settler who has been here for 33 years surely wins the right to stay where he is and the generations that follow. I agree with you that those who only settled here 5 10 years ago should be assessed but will you do the same with your immigrants who you have granted citizenship to?

This settler issue has been blown out of all proportion and can be easily resolved using EU and world criteria calling people barbarians in that racist tone does help matters as you to could be called a zorba or despot in return and where would that get us.

Please don't feel sorry for us there is no need.

[cypezokyli]

observer can i ask you sth ?
how can erdogan claim that the kurds are trying to change the ethnic structure of kirkuk...and he considers that unacceptable ?

are these people "forced" into busses in order to settle in kirkuk ?

when a state wants to change the ethnic composition of a place it has many ways to do it....

[askimwos]

One does not need to force people at gunpoint to move to the occuppied areas. This was a policy well developed by Denktash and Turkey in order to suppress the will of the TC population by controlinfg the outcome of the "elections" in the north.
How can any party in the north win the "elections" without having the backing of the settlers? We have seen what a big turn Talat has done in order to get elected. Don't forget that the CTP and AKEL had more or less agreed the main principles of a solution many years ago only for Talat to break that sort of agreement and to refuse to negotiate the elimination of some of the far too many powers over Cyprus that the anna plan was handing Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

One does not need to force people at gunpoint to move to the occuppied areas. This was a policy well developed by Denktash and Turkey in order to suppress the will of the TC population by controlinfg the outcome of the "elections" in the north.
How can any party in the north win the "elections" without having the backing of the settlers? We have seen what a big turn Talat has done in order to get elected. Don't forget that the CTP and AKEL had more or less agreed the main principles of a solution many years ago only for Talat to break that sort of agreement and to refuse to negotiate the elimination of some of the far too many powers over Cyprus that the anna plan was handing Turkey.

When? where? any independent details? Talat has been the one with the extended arm not Papadop.

[humanist]

VP I agree with you to a large extent. I do not think the RoC or Greek Cypriots could make a flat out decision on the settler issue. These are human beings that we are talking about and whilst I think that turkey is soleley responsible for the fate of settlers, I believe that a committee comprising of Turkish Cypriots/ Greek Cypriots and independat nations needs to be set up to look at settlers on an individual basis to assess whether they go or stay. I would suggest that number who stay be less that the Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots can choose what that number would be whether they want 100% 70% 50% 10% you get my drift, I m sure.