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[LENA]

I have to say I like your posts their this naiveness about them to the extreme like a kids story book and everyone lived happy ever after. What you tend to omit is that power sharing is a very difficult thing to strike a balance with people on a 1 to 1 basis do not have any problems getting along and this is what you base your whole philosophy on which in real life is not the deciding factor if the political balance is not right then this relayed down tot eh people like we saw in 1963, everyone got along fine then as but the explosion and hidden agenda brought us to where we are today. You have to appreciate that being the minority you are face with many problems and do not have the comfort thresh hold of saying we all Cypriots don't worry because it is not you who could face discrimination and no political weight to influence your own future in your own country.

We are all OK eating and drinking together as we are very polite people but what do you think about power sharing which is one of our major concerns.

VP I am not a crazy dreamer woman you know. I know that we will have lots of problems...but we are not going to solve anything if we act like stubborn old donkeys. We have to make a step back ... all of us. I am bored to repeat my self again and again. You was telling me that we hate each other and we are not able to live together…I told you all that just to prove you that we can live together if we want that without any problems. And now you are telling me that we can live together because we are polite people and we can drink and eat together. Then why you never accepted any of our invitation? Miltiades and I, we asked you several times to joined us for a drink or meal...we are not going to kill you.

Ok you want to ask my opinion about the power sharing which for you is the major concern. Well if you mean about the government and how many TC politicians will be in it…I believe that the fair solution is the democracy and the democratic elections of our leaders. But as far as I know we have to deal with % …so I think it is only matter of population. If the TC are 20% of the whole island…then 20% of our leaders must be TC. But who is going to be elected as a president its not a matter of being TC or GC because we elect our president with our votes. I think that logical isn’t it? Why you asked me? Is that what you meant? If I didn’t understand your question then I am sorry will you make it more clear to me?

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LENA

You was telling me that we hate each other and we are not able to live together…I told you all that just to prove you that we can live together if we want that without any problems. And now you are telling me that we can live together because we are polite people and we can drink and eat together. Then why you never accepted any of our invitation? Miltiades and I, we asked you several times to joined us for a drink or meal...we are not going to kill you.

I never said that individuals cannot live together, on a 1 to 1 basis we as people do not have a problem but we do not have a problem with any nationality be it French Spanish etc this is not the problem and I think you misunderstand my posts on occasion.

As for not meeting you or miltiades for a drink I would prefer to remain anonymous and I ask that you respect this choice as I do yours. You maybe a well meaning person but I can assure there are many who are not and on this forum we exhibit our real thoughts without reserve this can be the cause for many fanatics on both sides to seek vengeance and I do not want to know any ones real identity, that is why I have to refuse your kind invitation.

Ok you want to ask my opinion about the power sharing which for you is the major concern. Well if you mean about the government and how many TC politicians will be in it…I believe that the fair solution is the democracy and the democratic elections of our leaders. But as far as I know we have to deal with % …so I think it is only matter of population. If the TC are 20% of the whole island…then 20% of our leaders must be TC. But who is going to be elected as a president its not a matter of being TC or GC because we elect our president with our votes. I think that logical isn’t it? Why you asked me? Is that what you meant? If I didn’t understand your question then I am sorry will you make it more clear to me?

Do you see any dangers for TCs with a 80% balance in favor of GCs?

[humanist]

I say lets not waste anytime on settlers and refugees F--- them I say lets move on

[humanist]

just kiddin guys styiring the pot for great debate ......

[miltiades]

LENA

You was telling me that we hate each other and we are not able to live together…I told you all that just to prove you that we can live together if we want that without any problems. And now you are telling me that we can live together because we are polite people and we can drink and eat together. Then why you never accepted any of our invitation? Miltiades and I, we asked you several times to joined us for a drink or meal...we are not going to kill you.

I never said that individuals cannot live together, on a 1 to 1 basis we as people do not have a problem but we do not have a problem with any nationality be it French Spanish etc this is not the problem and I think you misunderstand my posts on occasion.

As for not meeting you or miltiades for a drink I would prefer to remain anonymous and I ask that you respect this choice as I do yours. You maybe a well meaning person but I can assure there are many who are not and on this forum we exhibit our real thoughts without reserve this can be the cause for many fanatics on both sides to seek vengeance and I do not want to know any ones real identity, that is why I have to refuse your kind invitation.

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And we do understand your wishes to remain anonymous , after all a man has a right to maintain his employment. And dont go on about fanatics wanting vengeance , how many killed in the last 5 years , NONE , precisely the name number that were massacred 8 years prior to Turkey invading in order to stop the "massacre " that resulted in NIL people LOOSING THEIR LIVES.
The propaganda goes on , and on and on. The true Cypriots such as my self , Bir , Lena , Kikapu and many more will not be silenced or intimidated by vicious and baseless accusations on our character. You rushed to defend Sourul when he accused me of posting hatred for my T/C brothers going as far as attributing to my self the words "a good Turk is a dead Turk " You are ignoring all of my posts and are focusing at the job in hand .Propaganda at all costs. And dont you go saying I hate you , I DO NOT .I DISSAGREE WITH YOU YES. BUT NO HATRED .
As far as anonymity goes , I respect your wishes to remain anonymous , I on the other hand am an open book , I have answered many emails giving my name , and my business web site is also known. I have nothing to fear in a free democratic country and I express freely my views and opinions.

[EUropean666]

regarding the 5000 bulgarian turks settlers you shall read this

http://www.sofiaecho.com/article/vmro-t ... 0/catid_66

[askimwos]

VP there can only be 3 reasons that may explain why you are afraid to visit the other side...

a) you are a settler yourself and you know that you will not be allowed to cross the green line which makes sense

b) you are a regime employee or a well known TC with quite some dark past in the intercommunal clashes

c) you are just a computer gig that likes to play it macho and "national here" hidden behind his keyboard anonimity.

Take your pick guys!

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miltiades

And we do understand your wishes to remain anonymous , after all a man has a right to maintain his employment.

I don't really feel I have to explain myself and what I do for a living but for the record and because you are all talking out of where the sun don't shine and making 1 add 1 into 9 maybe I should state for the record I have nothing to do with the TRNC government and I work on a computer all day that's why ı can easily keep up with whats going on here. That simple not major conspiracy theories or agents work for the government you have all been watching to many Bond movies, and the comments you come out with are so funny I laugh my socks off, I am an average TCs with very middle of the road views if you cant see this then you are not only blind but playing dumb.

And dont go on about fanatics wanting vengeance , how many killed in the last 5 years , NONE , precisely the name number that were massacred 8 years prior to Turkey invading in order to stop the "massacre " that resulted in NIL people LOOSING THEIR LIVES.

Forgive me for not putting my life at risk, this is my choice and I do not want to put myself or anyone else in that situation.


As for the past I raised this issue with some friends about no TC dieing in the 6 years prior to intervention and they recall a skirmish in 1972, they promised to come with more details of what happened. I will keep you posted.

The propaganda goes on , and on and on.

If you view the views of an average TC as propaganda then that's your prerogative but this is more of reflection of your own intolerance and obvious inability to deal with the issues put before you. If you cant explain it away label it propaganda mentality should really come to end.

The true Cypriots such as my self , Bir , Lena , Kikapu and many more will not be silenced or intimidated by vicious and baseless accusations on our character.

You can label yourselves what you wish who am I to object but as this a public forum I have every right to express my views if this makes you feel uncomfortable then maybe you should also try to question your own attitude and why you are misread by people.

You are ignoring all of my posts and are focusing at the job in hand .Propaganda at all costs. And dont you go saying I hate you , I DO NOT .I DISSAGREE WITH YOU YES. BUT NO HATRED .

I don't feel I am purposely avoiding your posts and I do not promote propaganda you think I do and I cannot do anything to change that as you have fixed this in your brain.

I to do not hate anyone one but I must say I do not love everyone.

As far as anonymity goes , I respect your wishes to remain anonymous , I on the other hand am an open book , I have answered many emails giving my name , and my business web site is also known. I have nothing to fear in a free democratic country and I express freely my views and opinions.

I respect your right to be an open book and express your views freely where is it you live UK or Australia was it?

[humanist]

Yeaeeeeeeee! am coming to Cyprus in January 08.

[LENA]

Why should he be so afraid? has he killed someone or is it the lack or free speech in the south and persecution for seeing the other side of the story, the fear of being automatically branded a traitor, these are the questions you should be asking.

I asked Pyro to come north as part of a 2 state solution and Fanos popped up as a great example that GCs can live under TC administration.

The girl thing was a joke....he can find his own women. Everyone who lives in the TRNC should be protected no matter what ethnic origin they are.

If they come out with degrading or disrespectful comments and they have been asked to stop but continue then I will not tolerate it and speak up. Fanos is very unique and I think we can learn a lot from his experiences that's why I tried to encourage people to ask questions rather than ridicule and piss him off.

He is afraid? He said that? VP please read his posts…and ask him things. I have done that. That’s why I am telling you to do the same. You might understand few things. You encourage people to ask questions. Have you done that?

I didn’t see any of your protection about Pyros mom from Karma…why is that? Its because he is GC?

Ask him about his decisions and his motivations and the effects of his decision. Then come back to discuss about those aspects.

And we do understand your wishes to remain anonymous , after all a man has a right to maintain his employment. And dont go on about fanatics wanting vengeance , how many killed in the last 5 years , NONE , precisely the name number that were massacred 8 years prior to Turkey invading in order to stop the "massacre " that resulted in NIL people LOOSING THEIR LIVES.
The propaganda goes on , and on and on. The true Cypriots such as my self , Bir , Lena , Kikapu and many more will not be silenced or intimidated by vicious and baseless accusations on our character. You rushed to defend Sourul when he accused me of posting hatred for my T/C brothers going as far as attributing to my self the words "a good Turk is a dead Turk " You are ignoring all of my posts and are focusing at the job in hand .Propaganda at all costs. And dont you go saying I hate you , I DO NOT .I DISSAGREE WITH YOU YES. BUT NO HATRED .
As far as anonymity goes , I respect your wishes to remain anonymous , I on the other hand am an open book , I have answered many emails giving my name , and my business web site is also known. I have nothing to fear in a free democratic country and I express freely my views and opinions.

I agree with you Miltiades…and thank you for your comments.
VP I respect your wish to remain anonymous too, and I as Miltiades done I have given emails and info about my self without fears and hesitations. I am who I am and I express my opinion here in this post as you do and as Miltiades and everyone else do the same. But we don’t afraid of you or any other TC because we consider you as compatriots and we trust you. Why you can not do the same? And remembers I am 22, I am female, I don’t have a gun and I don’t know any martial arts. What do you afraid from all this? What do you afraid generally since you said it’s just your opinion? Anyway I am not going to force you or insist any more. Its your wish and I will respect that. But remember Miltiades words…we don’t hate you … we just disagree with you in few aspects.