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[humanist]

I am taking large guess but I suspect only a third will return and it will be the old and those who were in their twenties in 1974. They would have children children in their twenties who would have started a life in the south without any memories or knowledge of the north they have no attachment. Whereas those who may have been in their twenties have a strong attachment and therefore may return and those in their 50's in 74 welll they probably just want to come home to die as they would be in their 80's.

[Viewpoint]

I am taking large guess but I suspect only a third will return and it will be the old and those who were in their twenties in 1974. They would have children children in their twenties who would have started a life in the south without any memories or knowledge of the north they have no attachment. Whereas those who may have been in their twenties have a strong attachment and therefore may return and those in their 50's in 74 welll they probably just want to come home to die as they would be in their 80's.

I agree so whats the problem?, if you feel its ok for TCs to live in the south as a minority then you should be able to live in the north as a minority under our rule, that way everyone can decide where they wish to live and die.

[Alexis]

As I have said many times before Miltiades, the refugees do not have automatic right of return due to circumstances. The same circumstances that has taken something from all of us. The refugee problem is not the end all of our problems either. Not fuck you, but a very big SORRY.

hi Zan mate,

I'd like you to elaborate a little more on what you mean. You say that refugees do not automatically have the right of return - why not? What do you mean by this? I have a real issue with this for one very simple reason - IF right of return can be achieved without the displacement of anyone currently (I include most settlers here too) why can that not be afforded to them? If your answer to this is simply that the refugees must pay for the mistakes of certain members of their community in past years then I completely disagree. Just as I think that it is unfair that TCs suffer due to the isolation of the TRNC (and that something should be done about it) I also find it unfair that refugees are deprived of their property and more importantly their right of return (not necessarily to their original property but to their original village if required). Tell me one good reason Zan why the refugees can't return in exchange for the lifting of TRNC isolation in a comprehensive settlement? Is there something fundamental I am missing or is it just spite that because your community suffered in the past so ours must now be deprived of a fundamental right simply to ensure that a part of Cyprus remains ethnically pure? Don't get me wrong I understand the need for any union to be gradual and that transition is required but what exactly is the point of imposing permanent restrictions on refugees for no good reason other than to ensure ethnic dominance in a particular geographical area? Either we unite or we don't - the destination must be a country in which we all can share - remembering also that now we are in the EU where the geographical barriers are meant to mean very little.

[humanist]

VP you have missed my point my friend you see you as separate from us. I see you as one the same human being that is the difference. If you don't get this and appreciate it for what it is then my friend lets not waste each others time

[humanist]

Good luck on that one Alexis

[Viewpoint]

VP you have missed my point my friend you see you as separate from us. I see you as one the same human being that is the difference. If you don't get this and appreciate it for what it is then my friend lets not waste each others time

You see us as one because it serves yours and other GCs purpose, you are not the one facing the minority label and rights, why cant we allow people to choose where they want to live either north or south?

[humanist]

but you are allowing people to choose. greek cypriots cannot move to their properties tomorraow if they wanted too. turkish cypriots can return to their homes in the south, and it does not serve whatsoever I am not a refugee and now living away from cyprus but I believe in human rights and to that end I believe that people in cyprus ought to have the right to their properties and the right to live anywhere they choose to live.

[BirKibrisli]

While we argue and sulk and insult each other and seek retribution for the events over the last 50 years,over 10,000 year long history of our country and our people,the Cypriots, is going down the drain...I sometimes feel we do not and did not deserve our homeland,never appreciated her ,and the Gods have conspired to take it away from us...

[Pyrpolizer]

I agree with viewpoint on this, and i am from the other side!!. Whats done is done, if there was some form of punishment that we could give the Turks then im sure we'd do give it. Time has passed ppl have moved on, made new lives. I, my family, and all the others that i know and hear of every day, prefer things as they are. I for one would never even dream of going back over there if there was a solution, and would deffinately not want my children to live amongst Turks.

Amfivallo oti eisai ellinokypria. Grapse merika ellinika na doume

[shahmaran]

well as long as mentalities like joanna's exist we will never have a solution....because the main problem doesnt lie in settlers nor properties but extreme Greek nationalism and a serious dislike against Turks of all kinds, TCs are a bit more tolerated since the GCs have understood that the alternative for us leaving is Turks filling up the island.

Its a shame that we cannot bring back all thoose 100s of thousands of TCs living abroad back home, but hey, the Cypriots should have thought about it before driving them out of their own country...