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[Alexis]

Having said that I want to remind people that it is not the settlers fault that they find themselves the meat in the sandwich in Cyprus.Turkey must be made to carry the cost (human and material) of resettling these people in an orderly and humane manner when the time comes.

I second what you say Kibrisli and would personally go one further, allowing the majority of settlers to stay for humanitarian reasons and the fact that many have made Cyprus their home for many years. These are afterall human beings who have been indirectly embroiled into the Cyprus Problem. Turkey though needs to put up her hand and share in the responsibility for looking after these people, irrespective of whether they stay or go.

[LENA]

How can Cypriots both TC and GC consider living with the barbarian turks??[/ quote]

If I am not wrong Joanna you are young as me and you are not Cypriot. Am I right? I thing I read in one of your posts that you are Greek girl. Right? You know sometimes…you have to live very close to the whole situation to understand the whole issue. I know that Greeks and Cypriots don’t have very good relationships with the Turks because of our history…but what I am not able to understand is why young people like you, me and Shahmaran are not able to build a new world and new relationships? For how many years do we have to keep that hater? I forced my self to understand older people…they way they think and the way they feel. They have memories and that’s very hard for them. But we don’t, we only learn what they told us, what they teach us and how they raised us up. But we supposed to have our feelings, our logical and we have to be able to build a new future for us and our families without hater, without wars…civilized!!! Is that so difficult for you? Why you call them barbarians? Do you really know anyone Turk? Did anyone harm you? And don’t tell me about our parents, relatives and countries. I am asking you as an individual person. In that part I agree with VP…you are racist! I am sorry for that especially because you are young!

Do you realize what you are saying here? these people filled in the void after 1974 and many have inter married. A settler who has been here for 33 years surely wins the right to stay where he is and the generations that follow. I agree with you that those who only settled here 5 10 years ago should be assessed but will you do the same with your immigrants who you have granted citizenship to?

Its very difficult to find out who they have to leave and who they have to go…those people who got married in north and they are Turks but they got married with TCs…what are they? They have to leave or stay? They have to leave only them or the whole family? A couple of settlers that they came here in 1974 and they are 55 with children and grandchildren have more rights from a 25 years old couple who one of them came from Turkey 5 years ago and the other one was at the north and they have a 3 years old child who was born here in Cyprus? Which family have to go back? We are talking about a huge issue here!!!

VP I agree with you to a large extent. I do not think the RoC or Greek Cypriots could make a flat out decision on the settler issue. These are human beings that we are talking about and whilst I think that turkey is soleley responsible for the fate of settlers, I believe that a committee comprising of Turkish Cypriots/ Greek Cypriots and independat nations needs to be set up to look at settlers on an individual basis to assess whether they go or stay. I would suggest that number who stay be less that the Turkish Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots can choose what that number would be whether they want 100% 70% 50% 10% you get my drift, I m sure.

I couldn’t agree more with you Humanist…your name express your believes indeed.

AKEL

AKEL

Askimwos…the issue here is not AKEL!!!!!

VP i did not make the suggestion of a % to remain and some to go back in order to meet the needs of Greek Cypriots I made the point in respect for those Turkish Cypriots who may feel that they are a minority among the Turkish Speaking Community of Cyprus. And yes the number will apply to the pontiacs, or if 40,000 pontiacs stay then 40,000 turks stay .. Like I said you decide on the number of settlers

Sounds reasonable to me but will your GC brothers agree?

Yes VP…me and lots of his GC brothers agree with him!! What about TCs?

While it is true that no one was forced at gunpoint to settle in the TRNC,there were a lot of inducement offered at the beginning (like free land and housing) to encouraged people to come. Also people from Turkey can come to the North simply by jumping on a ferryboat and showing their Identity Cards at the other end. Which other "state" in the world allows anyone to come and settle in their counrty without any kind of visa or character screening policy??? Forgetting about the international legitimacy of moving people to militarily occupied areas,had they required at least a passport for entry,they would make sure at least that more culturally and socially suitable people would come in,hence avoiding many of the social and cultural problems present today in the TRNC...

Having said that I want to remind people that it is not the settlers fault that they find themselves the meat in the sandwich in Cyprus.Turkey must be made to carry the cost (human and material) of resettling these people in an orderly and humane manner when the time comes.

You are a wised man Birkibrisli…I agree with you in every word. I am surprised that you are saying all that and if I am not wrong you are TC and you was alive in 1974. You are a human model that everyone has to imitate…!!! Especially people who keep that hater in their hearts for years or they don’t want to forgive and forget!!!

[Jerry]

Here's a thought-
Who has the greater right to live in say Kyrenia, A Greek Cypriot refugee whose family lived there for generations or a Turkish citizen from the mainland who decided he could have a better life by taking the place of the refugee who had been forced out of his home.

The settlers knew that they were benefiting from the misfortune of others, Turkey should facilitate their return to the mainland. Obviously there is a problem with the offspring of settlers especially those with a TC parent, I'm sure in their case some compromise could be arranged.

[zan]

Here's a thought-
Who has the greater right to live in say Kyrenia, A Greek Cypriot refugee whose family lived there for generations or a Turkish citizen from the mainland who decided he could have a better life by taking the place of the refugee who had been forced out of his home.

The settlers knew that they were benefiting from the misfortune of others, Turkey should facilitate their return to the mainland. Obviously there is a problem with the offspring of settlers especially those with a TC parent, I'm sure in their case some compromise could be arranged.

Jerry
What you have to do is stop thinking that every Turk has an agenda. These people would not know what politics was and what their actions initialled so the picture you paint of them is totally inaccurate. They were moved to make up the numbers. How many there are I don't know but the numbers that is being quoted by some here do not agree with the stories and accounts I have heard from people that include my sisters. The truth of it is that many of the Diaspora is moving back and many more would if jobs were more readily available. The solutions to this problem are many and the saving of the TCs as a people is not in the hands of the Turks or the GCs. I do find it frustrating that people have one track minds and cannot think out of the box when it comes to problem solving. If they are so concerned about the TC population then make it so that the Diaspora feel safe enough to return and start talking to them about reunification and not about waging war on Turkey which they will not win. That war is a thousand-year war and the TC a much shorter one. You will only antagonise the TCs more by attacking Turkey. We cannot and must not turn our backs on them completely and only by assuring them that their interests in Cyprus is safe with us can we make this thing work. Look at the realities people and stop dreaming.

[Pyrpolizer]

Question:

1)Has the number of settlers reached the maximum possible? Or are the conditions at the occupied still attractive to have more settlers even without the free land bonus they were getting in the past?
2) Suppose the Cyprus problem is solved. Most settlers who will eventually stay will be living together with the TCs. Will we be having a "New Cyprus problem" with these settlers I mean fighting with the TCs???

I personally met many settlers. Some are really good people. Many are at least a century backwards.Currently the settlers are protected by the Turkish Army and the other higher Turkish authorities when they do acts against the law or attack people.
What will it happen after a solution?

[humanist]

Well VP, then it is up to us on this forum to put tha suggestion to our governements. I am more than happy to send a letter and submitt signatures of those people supporting a proposal to the Grek/ Turkish leadership. Are you prepared to collect signatures from the north?

[zan]

Currently the settlers are protected by the Turkish Army and the other higher Turkish authorities when they do acts against the law or attack people.

Where did you get this piece of rubbish from???????


And what part of human behavior says that because some people are backward they will attack others on site. You were beginning to make sense for a while but are now speculating again.

[askimwos]

AKEL

AKEL

Askimwos…the issue here is not AKEL!!!!!

Lena I know that the issue is not AKEL, the whole point was brought up while discussing Talat's U-turn and that there had been an agreement between the two parties in the past

[Pyrpolizer]

Currently the settlers are protected by the Turkish Army and the other higher Turkish authorities when they do acts against the law or attack people.

Where did you get this piece of rubbish from???????


And what part of human behavior says that because some people are backward they will attack others on site. You were beginning to make sense for a while but are now speculating again.

1)If for you is "rubbish" then you already answered your own question.
2)The human behaviour that THEY ALREADY have demonstrated.

I had 2 more questions. Any possibility in a million you could answer and contribute something here?

[zan]

Currently the settlers are protected by the Turkish Army and the other higher Turkish authorities when they do acts against the law or attack people.

Where did you get this piece of rubbish from???????


And what part of human behavior says that because some people are backward they will attack others on site. You were beginning to make sense for a while but are now speculating again.

1)If for you is "rubbish" then you already answered your own question.
2)The human behaviour that THEY ALREADY have demonstrated.

I had 2 more questions. Any possibility in a million you could answer and contribute something here?

I think I am making a great contribution....see last post.


Are we to assume then that every one from a certain background that attacks someone, we then condemn their entire race as backward and therefore we should assume that they are going to attack us all? Then there is not a hope in hell for any of us. Unless of course there are no jails in the RoC and there are no convicts. If there are then I was wrong and ALL GCs are out to kill us TCs and not just the ones I feared. Come on Pyro, stick to things you are sure on and stop trying to sound more informed than you are. It is not helping in any way, shape or form.