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[pitsilos]

no man we left in 67.

[pitsilos]

and i am from limassol. fond memories of ladies mile. still around?

[Pyrpolizer]

Ha, the Army yes.

I really don't know much about this but I ve seen cypriot expats servicing various periods from 6 to 18 months. I havent seen anyone older than 45 servicing though.
The fascist thing about the army is that ONLY GCs serve. No Maronite, no Armenian, no Latin. They put us in prison if we refuse, whereas the Maronites etc are exempted!!!

[Pyrpolizer]

@pyro

i was born in cyprus, so obviuosly i am a cypriot,

my wife is australian and both my daughters never beien to cyprus. could they be considered cypriot citizens?

the reason i ask is because my oldest wants an eu passport. is she eligible for one?

sorry re for asking all these questions when a quick call to the embassy can give all the info i need, but since the subject came up why not ask.

also how can you get a permanent exit visa?, the embassy here says it doesn't exist but i know people that the cypriot club says you can get one. they say apply and when you do, you get no responce from the embassy.

Pitsilos, no I think your daughters are no eligible.Please read my previous posts

[Pyrpolizer]

in that case if i might be "out-voted" because of some chiense immigrants on the south then i rather have some turks on my side

it just doesnt make sense tho, either we are ALL Cypriots and ALL count as a whole, or we dont, you cant say GCs count as a whole, but TCs count only if they are "true and blood", is it only me who finds this ridiculous and unfair?

why should their immigrants be any more worthy then ours? is it because they are Turkish? because we got plenty of asians too, are they ok to stay? or is it because they are OURS and we should act like guests in our own island...

Look at it this way,Shah...If a lot of Chinese (using your example) arrive in the RoC tomorrow(or tommorow I can never remember which for some reason!) and want to have their own independent state in west Cyprus guarded by 40,000 Chinese troops,they would not be welcome either.Do you get the point now?

So its ok if these people want to join the "RoC"? consider them people who we have been granted "RoC" citizenship pending a solution, do we also have that right? or is it exclusive to your GC brothers?

The law of the RoC which by the way was voted by the TCs as well, states clearly that no one gets citizenship if he and his parents were not first given permit (for a specific number of reasons e.g political asylum seeker) to stay for more than 7 years. In this respect you acted illegally, the settlers were imported illegally and they are not allowed for citizenship.

For your information again neither the Pontians are allowed for citizenship unless they get it by the council of ministers. So far out of 40,000 Pontians not even 50 have got citizenship.

[Viewpoint]

in that case if i might be "out-voted" because of some chiense immigrants on the south then i rather have some turks on my side

it just doesnt make sense tho, either we are ALL Cypriots and ALL count as a whole, or we dont, you cant say GCs count as a whole, but TCs count only if they are "true and blood", is it only me who finds this ridiculous and unfair?

why should their immigrants be any more worthy then ours? is it because they are Turkish? because we got plenty of asians too, are they ok to stay? or is it because they are OURS and we should act like guests in our own island...

Look at it this way,Shah...If a lot of Chinese (using your example) arrive in the RoC tomorrow(or tommorow I can never remember which for some reason!) and want to have their own independent state in west Cyprus guarded by 40,000 Chinese troops,they would not be welcome either.Do you get the point now?

So its ok if these people want to join the "RoC"? consider them people who we have been granted "RoC" citizenship pending a solution, do we also have that right? or is it exclusive to your GC brothers?

The law of the RoC which by the way was voted by the TCs as well, states clearly that no one gets citizenship if he and his parents were not first given permit (for a specific number of reasons e.g political asylum seeker) to stay for more than 7 years. In this respect you acted illegally, the settlers were imported illegally and they are not allowed for citizenship.

For your information again neither the Pontians are allowed for citizenship unless they get it by the council of ministers. So far out of 40,000 Pontians not even 50 have got citizenship.

We gave them permits and they have been here 33 years don't we count?

You have an influx of foreign nationals which boosted your population in the late 80s early 90s were they not Pontiac Greeks? I remember seeing this on the EU statistic pages.

[BirKibrisli]

Pyro,Excuse my ignorance on this matter.But I thought the Pontians were Turks of Greek background living on the Black Sea coast somewhere.
How and When did they get to Cyprus and what are they doing there?

Cheers

[cypezokyli]

Pyro,Excuse my ignorance on this matter.But I thought the Pontians were Turks of Greek background living on the Black Sea coast somewhere.
How and When did they get to Cyprus and what are they doing there?

Cheers

pontians are supposed to be greeks who lived in north turkey.
they have similar history as the armenians (they also claim a genocide btw)
...anyway, some moved to greece and were fast assimilated (even though they do keep their traditional dances even after so many years!!). some others mooved to mother russia....only they didnot count that mother russia would become soviet union....
after the system collapsed (just liked it happened with german-russians etc) they wanted to return to mother greece (whether the reason was nationalistic or they wanted an access to "the free world" is another topic).

in the beggining ofcource they were welcomed....but after three generations in USSR they ofcource had nothing to do with greece of the 1990s... or cyprus of the 1990s.
the greek goverment often took advantage of them, and they were in practise treated the same way as immigrants are treated all over the world.

some came to cyprus as well....sth that the turkish propaganda machine saw as "influx of settlers".
the fact is, that cypriots treat them just like they treat other immigrants. nor do they seem them as "their own blood...i.e. greeks". thats why they are called "russian-pontians".

i met a number of them who integrated fast in the cypriot community.
the biggest problem appears to be in paphos were a proportionally large group landed in a small city creating a ghetto. there we have from time to time paphians vs russian pontians teenagers fights....


as pyro set, unlike the turks in the north, they have not been granted citizenship rights...

its way more complex ofcource but this is the shortest i can do

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro,Excuse my ignorance on this matter.But I thought the Pontians were Turks of Greek background living on the Black Sea coast somewhere.
How and When did they get to Cyprus and what are they doing there?

Cheers

You are always welcome Birkibrisli. I still owe you a reply to your previous post but I am too busy today to even concentrate.
Cypez already explained you well enough I think.
I will just add these:

The Pontians come from the region of Pontus.(Black sea???) This region is partly Russian and partly Turkish. These people speak all 3 languages (Russian Turkish and Greek). When the ex USSR collapsed many started moving back to Greece.

So coming to your question of when and how they came to Cyprus:

When the Pontians started flooding Greece was when the settler problem was also booming in the occupied. So RoC in collaboration with Greece diverted a portion of the Pontians to Cyprus.
So the 40,000 Pontians was the answer to the settlers in the occupied. (Notice the 45,000 settlers for EACH SIDE allowed in the Anan Plan). It was like saying "You bring settlers we will bring settlers as well"

As always of course our politicians (in RoC) made a total mess.The Pontians -well the vast majority of them- turned out they were not really Greeks!!! As you very rightly said they are more Turkish or Russians!

Their manners and their culture is totally alien to us. A huge proportion of them walk around with a heroin needdle in their pockets... Most of them work at construction sites. The employers say that they are not good workers either! Quality-wise they prefer the work of Cypriots (GCs/TCs) whereas they consider the Pontians 2nd or 3rd class workers.

Now coming back to the matter of citizenships, very few Pontians got citizenship so far. The RoC has a very effective beuraucratic system that can turn away any οver- optimistic Pontian

[Pyrpolizer]

no man we left in 67.

OK Pitsillos. You have Cypriot citizenship. However I don't think either your wife or your daughters can get citizenship while living abroad.

Citizenship my friend means both obligations and rights to citizens who live under the same roof (STATE)