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[growuptcs]

My logic for all to share equal rights hasn't been stopped, its been shelved from minds like yourself. Till you realize there are two lanes in Cyprus and not one, you'll never be able to drive with the rest of us. So just go back to throwing stones till you evolve like the rest of us equal headed human beings.

[zan]

My logic for all to share equal rights hasn't been stopped, its been shelved from minds like yourself. Till you realize there are two lanes in Cyprus and not one, you'll never be able to drive with the rest of us. So just go back to throwing stones till you evolve like the rest of us equal headed human beings.

You would not know equal rights if it jumped up and bit you on the arse. Equal does not mean everybody gets the same, that is communism. Equal in Cyprus means taking into account what has happened and allowing for that. I am not a mathematician but I am sure there is a branch for it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Perhaps now our GC compatiots can realise the dire straights the real TCs are in? Perhaps now the RoC government can institute policies and measures to win over the real TC population,because they are in no state to help themselves any longer.

How right you are Birkibrisli. The fact is we lealised a long time ago the situation for the real TCs is that of persons who have no option than grab a snake in the sea to survive. The snake being Turkey, the sea being their life threatening situation, and the GCs some cannibals waiting for them on shore. So to whom could the poor TC people turn to for help?

When provoked by certain TCs in this forum as to how many TCs the RoC has managed to convince to come live in the government control areas, I said the RoC could if she wanted have had all the TCs back.

She could publish all new government jobs in Turkish and make them available on the internet. Hire TCs at government jobs en masse. Build at least one elementrary school and at least one high school in each and every town. The more TC people return the more schools to build. Assign a TC Minister for TC Education and affairs. Make learning of Greek and Turkish obligatory at all schools. Return their properties unconditionally. Encourage their employement is all economic sectors even by subsidies. Give the TCs political rights and Parliament positions. Etc etc etc.

On the other hand though what would happen at the occupied if RoC would take such measures? One TC would abandon the northern area and come to the Government control areas 10 settlers would replace him in a flash! Sometimes one has to read between the lines when historical events occur.E.g. when the borders opened Erdogan was asked by a reporter (and I saw that one TV)
-Sir, aren’t you worrying that now all the TCs will move to the South?
And Erdogan said:
-The Greeks can have as many Turks as they want. We can send them more if they like!

Although most people believe the opening of the borders was done ONLY because of the demonstrations of the Tcs, may I remind everyone that Serdar Denktash has proposed the opening of the gates long before the demonstration even occured. I believe everybody in here is wise enough to realise that Serdar’s old proposal had nothing to do with any prediction whatsoever regarding any TC uprising. So if it had nothing to do with any prediction what agenda was Serdar upto???
For the answer please refer once again to what Erdogan said.

We the GCs heard many times from our politicians, that one of the dangers we would be facing with our EU entrance, is that the Turks (I mean the fijia ) will become masters in the North, and the TCs partners in the South…

Now coming back to how the TCs feel like shipwreckers, the GCs don’t feel any better at all. They feel like goats at the edge of a canyon, totally unable to move one simple step.

The settler policy, was not only for securing votes for the Denktashes. It served multiple purposes…

NB. I am sure every REAL TC knows who the fijia are.

[growuptcs]

zan:

Equal in Cyprus means taking into account what has happened and allowing for that. I am not a mathematician but I am sure there is a branch for it.

What has happened and what is being allowed is called occupation by Turkey. The UN and EU are allowing it for now so no one gets into a war because of it. But you cant move on LEGALLY because of your one sided attitude. I dont blame you personally zan, or your beliefs, I blame your one-sided TURK laws that you nationalists follow. Like praising the killer that killed Hrant Dink. The news is getting out internationally about his death, and everyone is quite interested how Turkey follows up on it. They're failing miserably in terms of justice. I just do wish Turkey cleans her hands up to all our benefit to peace.

[humanist]

Pyrpolizer, that wan an interesting post you submitted I have certaily learnt a fair bit. Especially I agree with your argument that the RoC needs to be doing more and certaily what you are proposing is certaily possible, the RoC can advertise for the jobs, on the internet open the process up to TC's. And yes there is a lot of hard work ahead to get everybody to communicate in the same language etc, but small things to overcome, I also agree about returning Tc propert unconditionally, howver what about those who are double dipping, we don't know whether TC's in the north have been given tittles to GC property etc is that fair that they occupy properties in the nrth whilst having access to their properties in the south? just a question for thought. I also agree about schools and languages being taught as we speak in all educational levels. Once before I even suggested that the RoC invite TC politicians to fill the vacant positions within the government sector 30% or something like that? I guess if this happens and more TC's move to the south than living in the north then turkey will have no leg to stand on by arguing that she is looking after the interests of the TC"s becuse they will be in the south enjoying the benefits that the RoC has to offer to all its citizens. It is a struggle for the TC's no doubt but if they are genuinely in dire straights in the north then perhaps giving this a go will be for the better for them and their children. And my be this is the best time for the Roc to implement al policies possible to ensure this action as there will be money coming into the country from the oil to support this move. And I do believe there is oil all the preliminary work has been done and the RoC would not be engaging all these mulitnationals and third countries to go in it together. The reality the oil is there. And posibly further north, so if the TC's feel they can benefit from their own exploration without turkey wanting it all then go for it. Perhaps then with equal amounts of money there will be more partnership that Angela Merkel keeps talking about.

From your post I get the impression that there is an uprising of TC's wanting unification, is that my wishful thinking or is that a fact.

The other issue that is a concern for the RoC is the settler issue, how does that get sorted out is Turkey just keeps bringing more and more settlers over, not only a problem for Cyprus, TC's but also the settlers themselves.

[zan]

zan:

Equal in Cyprus means taking into account what has happened and allowing for that. I am not a mathematician but I am sure there is a branch for it.

What has happened and what is being allowed is called occupation by Turkey. The UN and EU are allowing it for now so no one gets into a war because of it. But you cant move on LEGALLY because of your one sided attitude. I dont blame you personally zan, or your beliefs, I blame your one-sided TURK laws that you nationalists follow. Like praising the killer that killed Hrant Dink. The news is getting out internationally about his death, and everyone is quite interested how Turkey follows up on it. They're failing miserably in terms of justice. I just do wish Turkey cleans her hands up to all our benefit to peace.

Hundreds and thousands of people filled the streets for Hrant Dink and it made me feel proud. I am sure that millions more would fill those streets if they followed what happens but alas the majority of people in any country are not politically motivated. The people that are gave a clear signal of what they want from Turkey and they are changing every day. There is shit like this going on all over the world. If you are going to concentrate only on the nationalists and brand every one that thinks in different ways to you as a nationalist then you are adding to their numbers and their need to recruit diminishes. I have stated what my beliefs are and why I believe them. If that makes me a nationalist in your eyes then so be it but using it in the manner you do will not make me see things different. My beliefs will change only when I see a drastic change in the RoC policy...plain and simple. The stick will not work and neither will sweet words. Action and positive action will see a new me. Nothing else will do.

[Pyrpolizer]

Humanist thank you but this is not exactly what I said.

I said the RoC could easily win the vast majority of TCs if she wanted, and bring them all living in the Government controlled areas. It is not difficult.
We already saw with our own eyes who the most fanatic supporters of RoC are. The TCs living in the free areas themselves...

If you notice I ended my post with the analogy of a goat standing at the edge of a canyon. This means all the GCs and the RoC politicians see the benefits of this obvious action, on the other hand they CANNOT MOVE because there below is the canyon. Who is the canyon?

Canyon is Turkey who will immediately replace the TCs who will come to the free areas with settlers.

In fact Serdars old agenda before opening the borders WAS PRECICELY THAT

[shahmaran]

so we are not allowed to bring ppl from Turkey but you are allowed bring who ever you like?

someone please explain me that....

[Kikapu]

so we are not allowed to bring ppl from Turkey but you are allowed bring who ever you like?

someone please explain me that....

Shah,

You seem to forget, which one is the "real Cyprus" and which one is not. !

Which one has the laws of the land, and which one pretends to have the laws of the land.!

Is it the same, when you invite guests to your home, as suppose to, your neighbour forcing them on you, because they can. !

So,

[BirKibrisli]

On the other hand though what would happen at the occupied if RoC would take such measures? One TC would abandon the northern area and come to the Government control areas 10 settlers would replace him in a flash! Sometimes one has to read between the lines when historical events occur.E.g. when the borders opened Erdogan was asked by a reporter (and I saw that one TV)
-Sir, aren’t you worrying that now all the TCs will move to the South?
And Erdogan said:
-The Greeks can have as many Turks as they want. We can send them more if they like!

Although most people believe the opening of the borders was done ONLY because of the demonstrations of the Tcs, may I remind everyone that Serdar Denktash has proposed the opening of the gates long before the demonstration even occured. I believe everybody in here is wise enough to realise that Serdar’s old proposal had nothing to do with any prediction whatsoever regarding any TC uprising. So if it had nothing to do with any prediction what agenda was Serdar upto???
For the answer please refer once again to what Erdogan said.

We the GCs heard many times from our politicians, that one of the dangers we would be facing with our EU entrance, is that the Turks (I mean the fijia ) will become masters in the North, and the TCs partners in the South…

Now coming back to how the TCs feel like shipwreckers, the GCs don’t feel any better at all. They feel like goats at the edge of a canyon, totally unable to move one simple step.

The settler policy, was not only for securing votes for the Denktashes. It served multiple

Thanks for that response,Pyro. And I understand your concerns.Denktas had said something similar once. When reminded that more and more TCs were leaving he said something like "
Let them go,we have better Turks to replace them with".

Here is my logic: There are no more than 50-60 thousand real TCs left in the North. If by positive measures like you described RoC manages to attrack as many TCs to the Republic as there are in the TRNC(and this could easily happen over say 10 years,keeping in mind that the TC numbers will continue to fall in the North),than how could Turkey justify staying in Cyprus with her 40,000 troops? Imagine regular demonstrations in the Republic by tens of thousands of TCs and GCs together demanding that Turkey obeys international law and takes her troops and settlers home!

If RoC does nothing now,the real TC community will disappear by assimilation and attrition,and within 25 years you nwill have nobody in the North wanting reunification with the South. Taksim established permanently,end of story. And I will be turning in my grave in the arse end of the world,killing all those daisies trying to grow on top of me...