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[insan]

Of course, when it comes to action, as always; there's noone at home

[-mikkie2-]

No mention of the fact that TMT started intercommunal violence between GC and TC in the 1950's when a bomb exploded outside the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia. This caused TC's to riot and to attack and kill GC's. Of course, as Denktas admitted, that it was the TMT that planted the bomb.

I really like the selective facts being bandied around. One has to look at the whole picture and it seems that many of you still look at one side only.

Any reason why the TMT and Turks were stopping TC's from having economic reklations with GC's? You talk about GC fanatics killing many GC's but what about the many TC fanatics that killed many TC's? I do not hear any talk about the attrocities TC's committed against their own people. Its just convenient to blame the GC's!

[rebetis]

"The first assault which was one of the major, bloody christmas in 1963; was not a consequence of any assault from TC paramilitaries to GC paramilitaries"

The first inter-communal incidents happened in '58 when 8 Greeks were murdered in the village of Geuyenli by TMT. They were left there by the British because they were suspects in the bombing affaire, the one that finally was commited by TC.


"That was MacMillan partition plan and has nothing similar with the Akritas plan which was based upon total annihilation of TCs... Moreover it wasn't a secret plan, was proposed and rejected by Hellen's ruling elite... "

Why do the Turkish side think that the Akritas Plan was to annihilate the Turks, I've read it myself several times and I didn't find any suggestions about annihilation, very funny. It was a bleuprint concerning a succesfull implementing of the 13 amendements. You can critisize these amendements but there is no way of any annihilation plans.
Besides, the MacMillan plan did not forsee an exchange of population, Erim's plan did.

[insan]

No mention of the fact that TMT started intercommunal violence between GC and TC in the 1950's when a bomb exploded outside the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia. This caused TC's to riot and to attack and kill GC's. Of course, as Denktas admitted, that it was the TMT that planted the bomb.

The first inter-communal incidents happened in '58 when 8 Greeks were murdered in the village of Geuyenli by TMT. They were left there by the British because they were suspects in the bombing affaire, the one that finally was commited by TC.

What provoked those TCs to kill those 8 Greeks. Just hate or provocative actions of Hellen ruling elite? Which communities %97 of members signed the Enosis petition in 1950? Did any TCs kill just one GC before that petition? So why?

Why do the Turkish side think that the Akritas Plan was to annihilate the Turks, I've read it myself several times and I didn't find any suggestions about annihilation, very funny.

Akritas Plan is the sneakiest annihilation plan I've ever read. Have you expected some direct suggestions about annihilation of TCs in such kind of disgusting sneaky annihilation plan?

It was a bleuprint concerning a succesfull implementing of the 13 amendements. You can critisize these amendements but there is no way of any annihilation plans.

The philosophy of the Akritas Plan was based upon destruction of all obstacles in front of Enosis not as you suggested above.

Besides, the MacMillan plan did not forsee an exchange of population, Erim's plan did.

It would be better to partition Cyprus in mid 50's than losing our loved ones throughout the period 1955.74.

I really like the selective facts being bandied around. One has to look at the whole picture and it seems that many of you still look at one side only.

And that is you who cannot see the whole picture.


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[rebetis]

"What provoked those TCs to kill those 8 Greeks. Just hate or provocative actions of Hellen ruling elite? Which communities %97 of members signed the Enosis petition in 1950? Did any TCs kill just one GC before that petition? So why? "

Is a petition and the result of it enough for you to justifie the killing of 8 human beings? Didn't they had the right for a petition? This coming from some fanatic guy, I could understand, but from you, don't know what to think about.
The answer is simple, the TMT did everything just to show the world both communities could not live together, they killed also a lot of TC's who were willing to cooparate with GC's, they started to remove TC's into enclaves even before the '63 incidents.

[insan]

"What provoked those TCs to kill those 8 Greeks. Just hate or provocative actions of Hellen ruling elite? Which communities %97 of members signed the Enosis petition in 1950? Did any TCs kill just one GC before that petition? So why? "

Is a petition and the result of it enough for you to justifie the killing of 8 human beings? Didn't they had the right for a petition? This coming from some fanatic guy, I could understand, but from you, don't know what to think about.

I didn't try to justify the actions of TCs who killed 8 GCs. I just tried to point the reasons behind their actions. The only matter wasn't the result of Enosis petition. Before this incident took place, EOKA was targeting a few village leaders, and some leftists and policemen who were Turkish Cypriots were also murdered. Ain't it obvious that a retaliation would be followed soon?

The answer is simple, the TMT did everything just to show the world both communities could not live together, they killed also a lot of TC's who were willing to cooparate with GC's, they started to remove TC's into enclaves even before the '63 incidents.

The answer was simple: TMT did everything to show the world if %97 of GC community desires union with Greece and make TCs a minorit in Cyprus; they will not submit either of them.


If you ask my opinion, Hellen's ruling elite made the first mistake that they thought what they did was totally rightful and TCs made a mistake by retaliating with the same methods. Although two wrongs does not make 1 correct perhaps this was what both parties would be able to do under those years climate and circumstances.

In my opinion, it wasn't a justifiable movement to ignore TC community or consider them as a small minority in order to take control of Cyprus and annex it to Greece.

[rebetis]

"I didn't try to justify the actions of TCs who killed 8 GCs. I just tried to point the reasons behind their actions. The only matter wasn't the result of Enosis petition. Before this incident took place, EOKA was targeting a few village leaders, and some leftists and policemen who were Turkish Cypriots were also murdered. Ain't it obvious that a retaliation would be followed soon?"

Indeed, some TC policemen became a target of EOKA, but because they were collaborating with the Brits. You'll have to know that the British were very harsh on the GC, you can not ignore the fact that the British used the TC against the GC and favoured the TC in several issues.

"The answer was simple: TMT did everything to show the world if %97 of GC community desires union with Greece and make TCs a minorit in Cyprus; they will not submit either of them."

TMT didn't have to show that, it was not something to hide, besides 18% is still a minority in my opinion, which does not mean they do not have rights. But apparently a minority means for you no rights, annihilation, etc...Do have to remind you that enosis existed long before the '50 and all this time both communities lived together without any problem. GC didn't had the purpose to annihilate the TC, TC community was not ignored, thanks to the Brits we became enemies.

Have a nice weekend

[insan]

Indeed, some TC policemen became a target of EOKA, but because they were collaborating with the Brits. You'll have to know that the British were very harsh on the GC, you can not ignore the fact that the British used the TC against the GC and favoured the TC in several issues.

I know.. But ain't it normal for TCs to take side with Brits while GC ruling elite have totally ignored the TC community. For TCs, Brits were the only helping hand to struggle against Enosists. The Brits and TCs collaboration against Enosists was serving each other's interests under those times circumstances.

"The answer was simple: TMT did everything to show the world if %97 of GC community desires union with Greece and make TCs a minorit in Cyprus; they will not submit either of them."

TMT didn't have to show that, it was not something to hide, besides 18% is still a minority in my opinion, which does not mean they do not have rights.

TMT had to show that. In 50s the population percentage of TCs was around %25, by the way. In my opinion TC community is not a minority but wished/wishes either to be a politically equal partner of GC community or live seperate. Having some rights does not mean that they would be safe in Cyprus.

But apparently a minority means for you no rights, annihilation, etc...Do have to remind you that enosis existed long before the '50 and all this time both communities lived together without any problem. GC didn't had the purpose to annihilate the TC, TC community was not ignored, thanks to the Brits we became enemies.

I urge you to go Paseka.org and read the bi-communal politics story of two communities. Enosis has one more aspect other than annexation with Greece and that is majority rule= GC rule.

Have a nice weekend

You too, have a nice weekend.