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[Saint Jimmy]

One of the reasons we aregue about the past and "who is responsible?" is because both T/C and G/C have been educated in a bias way and media on both sides compliments this by publishing information on what the other side has done wrong. If we keep argiung about the past, we will be forever arguing. Is it not better to talk about what kind of future we both want.

Amen! Hallelujah! *wish I knew what the turks say as 'amen':(*

[KELEBEK]

Many G/C were actually killed by Greek troops before turkish troops even left the mainland.

read this article below:

Revelations in the Greek Cypriot media that another so-called Greek Cypriot missing person actually died on 24 July 1974 exposed the lies of the Greek Cypriot regime once again.

The DNA tests carried out in the Lakadamia cemetery revealed that Costas Menikou was buried in Lakadamia military cemetery in south Cyprus years ago.

Greek Cypriot regime, media and the Greek-Greek Cypriot lobbies in Britain and other countries, for years, used and still is using this humanitarian issue to achieve political gains and trying to get Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots condemned, have been using the so-called missing Greek Cypriots and their families as political pawns since 1974.

With the latest revelations, the Greek Cypriot media who used a picture of Costas Menikou to claim that he was a captive of Turkey, tried to cover up their deliberate misinformation by claiming that the picture used was someone who looked like Costas Menikou.

Fileleftheros, a Greek Cypriot newspaper reported that Costas Menikou, who was a sergeant in a Greek Cypriot commando unit, died on 24 July 1974 and was buried in the Lakadamia cemetery.

Cyprus Mail, taking extracts from Politis, another Greek Cypriot newspaper reported:

"POLITIS: 'When the grave talks'. As Costas Menikou's family is preparing a burial service for him in Melbourne, the paper said it had discovered that the Service for Missing Persons knew that he was dead and buried in a military cemetery in Nicosia years ago. They did not announce the fact to his family, who live Australia, and lived in hope that their long lost son might one day return from captivity."

Unlike the Greek Cypriot side, Turkish Cypriot side has never used the issue of the Turkish Cypriot missing to make any political gains. Their families admit that they were killed by the Greeks-Greek Cypriots long time ago. Their mothers, unlike the Greek Cypriot ones do not dress all in black carrying pictures and pretending that their sons are still alive. However we do not blame these people, after all they are lied to by their own political leaders, who actually caused the Cyprus tragedy.

Blame for the on going lies and the suffering it causes to the families of these people falls on the Greek Cypriot regime and their supporters in the EU, which unfortunately contains some British MPs and MEPs.

The right thing to do is, the Greek Cypriot side should tell their people that their loved ones died long time ago. Above all they should tell their own people and the rest of the world how many of these so-called Greek Cypriot missing was actually killed by the Greek soldiers and the Greek Cypriot terrorist during the coup against Makarios that took place on 15 July 1974 in the name of Greek desire for Enosis (union with Greece), the main cause of Cyprus problem.

Makarios himself, during his speech at the UN on 19 July 1974, a day before Turkey intervened, said that the casualties caused by the Greek Junta's coup were very high. Some European sources put this around 3000.

[brother]

Now that your lies are coming to surface i ask all gc how do you feel about your leadership now.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Angastiniotis - the director of the documentary - said:

‘I never said the Turks did not commit war crimes. They did. But I am responsible for the Greek side. I hope a Turkish Cypriot has the guts to do what I have done and make a film about Turkish atrocities’

... any takers?

(though I do not expect that the Turkish Army would permit the creation of such a film ...)

[Alexandros Lordos]

I've seen the documentary, it has made my stomach turn ...

I think what we need, though, is a documentary which reveals the atrocities of both sides, not just in 1974, but all the way back to 1963 ...

Such a documentary would teach us to hate violence, and not each other ...

[brother]

Well said alex.

[insan]

Angastiniotis - the director of the documentary - said:

Quote:
‘I never said the Turks did not commit war crimes. They did. But I am responsible for the Greek side. I hope a Turkish Cypriot has the guts to do what I have done and make a film about Turkish atrocities’



... any takers?

(though I do not expect that the Turkish Army would permit the creation of such a film ...)

Although I'm not trying to justify what TC and Turkish extremists/survival fighters/Taksimists might have done, I believe there was a distinction between them and GC, Greek extremists/ Enosists.

1- In 1963-67 period despite none of the above fighting/struggling group of TCs/Turks has intended to takeover whole Cyprus to annex Turkey; GC and Greek extremists/Enosist did intended to takeover whole Cyprus to annex Greece. Moreover, GC and Greek extremists were far more organised and heavily armed than the TC/Turkish side.

2- It seems to me that, TC/Turkish side was in resistance position rather than assault. TC/Turkish side's assaults seems like retaliatory.


3- I don't think TC/Turkish side had got a masterpiece scheme like Akritas.


Nevertheless, all allegations regarding the atrocities should be investigated and if there are war crimes, criminals must be punished and condemn...

In above perspective I think Turkish army would not object the idea of making a documentary, even they would collaborate to make it more objective, I assume.

I've seen the documentary, it has made my stomach turn ...

I think what we need, though, is a documentary which reveals the atrocities of both sides, not just in 1974, but all the way back to 1963 ...

Documentary makers from all relevant parties(Greece, Turkey, Britain, GC, TC) would in collaboration make a perfectly objective documentary regarding the atrocities

Such a documentary would teach us to hate violence, and not each other ...

This should be the point of course.


Ps: Alexandros, I'm still waiting to hear your opinions concerning the subject, "Political equality for all"

[insan]

Amen! Hallelujah! *wish I knew what the turks say as 'amen'

Turks say "amin". Almost the same.

[rebetis]

"2- It seems to me that, TC/Turkish side was in resistance position rather than assault. TC/Turkish side's assaults seems like retaliatory"

Assaults from both sides were the results of revenge


"3- I don't think TC/Turkish side had got a masterpiece scheme like Akritas.

I guess you never heard from proffesor Erim who was assigned by Menderes to formulate a plan for Cyprus in November '56. His proposal was the geographical change of the island with tranfer of populations which would result in two separate political entities. This proposal became Turkish policy in Cyprus for the next 20 years. The creation of TMT was ment to execute this policy.




"1- In 1963-67 period despite none of the above fighting/struggling group of TCs/Turks has intended to takeover whole Cyprus to annex Turkey; GC and Greek extremists/Enosist did intended to takeover whole Cyprus to annex Greece. Moreover, GC and Greek extremists were far more organised and heavily armed than the TC/Turkish side. "

So, you admit that even the Turkish side didn't respect the Treary of Guarantee.



"Nevertheless, all allegations regarding the atrocities should be investigated and if there are war crimes, criminals must be punished and condemn... "

Agree for 100%

[insan]

"2- It seems to me that, TC/Turkish side was in resistance position rather than assault. TC/Turkish side's assaults seems like retaliatory"

Assaults from both sides were the results of revenge

The first assault which was one of the major, bloody christmas in 1963; was not a consequence of any assault from TC paramilitaries to GC paramilitaries...

"3- I don't think TC/Turkish side had got a masterpiece scheme like Akritas.

I guess you never heard from proffesor Erim who was assigned by Menderes to formulate a plan for Cyprus in November '56. His proposal was the geographical change of the island with tranfer of populations which would result in two separate political entities. This proposal became Turkish policy in Cyprus for the next 20 years. The creation of TMT was ment to execute this policy.

That was MacMillan partition plan and has nothing similar with the Akritas plan which was based upon total annihilation of TCs... Moreover it wasn't a secret plan, was proposed and rejected by Hellen's ruling elite...

"1- In 1963-67 period despite none of the above fighting/struggling group of TCs/Turks has intended to takeover whole Cyprus to annex Turkey; GC and Greek extremists/Enosist did intended to takeover whole Cyprus to annex Greece. Moreover, GC and Greek extremists were far more organised and heavily armed than the TC/Turkish side. "

So, you admit that even the Turkish side didn't respect the Treary of Guarantee.

Yes, correct.

"Nevertheless, all allegations regarding the atrocities should be investigated and if there are war crimes, criminals must be punished and condemn... "

Agree for 100%

Ok then. If we all agree on this one; lets arrange a mass demonstration to demand all allegations concerning the Cyprus tragedy and war criminals of 1963-2004 period to be investigated and punished...