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TPAO readying to explore oil off northern Cyprus

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Postby zan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:39 am

donyork wrote:The oil question in the eastern Med seems to be much more worrying than some of the yah-boo comments on this site seem to suggest, with the risk of costly even fatal political consequences long before any bucks turn up in the till. The long-running dispute between Greece and Turkey over the Aegean was the cause of much sabre-rattling only a few years ago and remains unresolved. But the estimated value of the Aegean is markedly less than that for the sea between Turkey and north Cyprus — reports put it at worth 50% of Turkey’s present imports. Until now, however, the political issues relating to exploration have made its development problematic firstly because big companies are reluctant to invest mega-millions in disputed areas and secondly because Turkey’s EU process made any development too sensitive to pursue.

The concern in this current furore is that the RoC knew perfectly well that its secret agreement with Lebanon (seen in Ankara as a dummy) would infuriate Turkey and and if implemented would be cause for Turkey — which, of course, does not recognise the RoC — doing everything it can to start exploration in the sea to the north with whatever partners it can find. The RoC will then dispute their right to do so, the EU will be dragged into the row, and a new crisis will blow up which may very well full stop any hopes of a resolution of the Cyprus problem with partition the outcome. The question is whether in these circumstances the EU will act as mediator — in order to keep Turkey on board — or back the RoC with Turkey in consequence abandoning its EU process. The short-term outcome is therefore high risk, for a cash return which at best is many years away and where one of the partners — Lebanon — is also high risk.


It might have been preferable perhaps if the RoC had first sought the approval of the EU on the basis that it would through the EU guarantee that the interests of the TCs were generously taken into account (earning political goodwill which would have at a stroke silenced TC protests with potentially the prize of driving a wedge between the North and Turkey) but Papa Dop is not the man to play his cards that way. So Cyprus is yet again another headache for Brussels, caught up once more in the obsessive gamesmanship of the RoC. There is always a price for oil. So what price here?



Tpap did not want unification because of the cost to the RoC and perhaps now wants it even less because he is hoping that the TRNC say what some of us here are saying and that is "Take your oil and leave us alone". If he can get the oil and not have to recognise the TRNC/KKTC then even better. I think its time for a concerted push for recognition.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:45 am

so zan you base your whole argument in the victims paying themselves for all the expenses. hmmm thats not a bad idea. :lol:
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:47 am

its like the mufti in oz when he said, you can't blame the rapist because women today, the way they dress, its like naked meat.

zan ever thought of becoming a mufti? you have some good ideas :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:50 am

pitsilos wrote:so zan you base your whole argument in the victims paying themselves for all the expenses. hmmm thats not a bad idea. :lol:





No I base it on the basis that the RoC that started all this shit with your impotent leader in Makarios will not take their part of the blame. That includes Greece that is keeping suspiciously quite on the surface and the UK.


You can play your little games all you like about being victims but who has done well out of this and who has been held under siege.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:56 am

so in your little mind the whole cyprus problem started with the gc.

and your proof of this is dependant on?

so what stopped turkey from doing the right thing the last 32 years? who ethnically cleanse people from the houses and turned a third of the country into a nazi state?

who put up fortified borders?

who invaded the second time and under a cease fire may i add.

of cource to you and vp, turkey came to liberated you. even shahmaran admitted you are under occupation. :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:09 am

zan wrote:
pitsilos wrote:so zan you base your whole argument in the victims paying themselves for all the expenses. hmmm thats not a bad idea. :lol:





No I base it on the basis that the RoC that started all this shit with your impotent leader in Makarios will not take their part of the blame. That includes Greece that is keeping suspiciously quite on the surface and the UK.


You can play your little games all you like about being victims but who has done well out of this and who has been held under siege.


Zan all Cypriots are the victims , you can not dismiss the 200 thousand who became refugees in their own country and are now made to present documents in order to visit their ancestral homes , and the vast majority of T/Cs , some forced to emigrate and those left having to face life daily with out the comforts that their compatriots in the ROC are enjoying. The RoC , and I have said this before , has made dreadful political decisions but no one in their right mind would expect them to recognise a part of Cyprus that IS OCCUPIED and make no mistake about this , the 40 thousand Turkish troops are there as an occupying force and they are seeing as such by the entire international community. I believe the RoC Government needs to re think its approach to our problem taking into account the feelings and interests of the T/Cs and making them to at least begin to consider that this country of ours is also theirs .Why not appoint a T/C to a Government post , or some other social and welfare position , start by practicing what they preach to the international community. Embrace the T/Cs and treat them as equals for starters , show them that they matter and reciprocation , part of our Cypriot culture , will occur.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:17 am

miltiades wrote:
zan wrote:
pitsilos wrote:so zan you base your whole argument in the victims paying themselves for all the expenses. hmmm thats not a bad idea. :lol:



No I base it on the basis that the RoC that started all this shit with your impotent leader in Makarios will not take their part of the blame. That includes Greece that is keeping suspiciously quite on the surface and the UK.


You can play your little games all you like about being victims but who has done well out of this and who has been held under siege.


Zan all Cypriots are the victims , you can not dismiss the 200 thousand who became refugees in their own country and are now made to present documents in order to visit their ancestral homes , and the vast majority of T/Cs , some forced to emigrate and those left having to face life daily with out the comforts that their compatriots in the ROC are enjoying. The RoC , and I have said this before , has made dreadful political decisions but no one in their right mind would expect them to recognise a part of Cyprus that IS OCCUPIED and make no mistake about this , the 40 thousand Turkish troops are there as an occupying force and they are seeing as such by the entire international community. I believe the RoC Government needs to re think its approach to our problem taking into account the feelings and interests of the T/Cs and making them to at least begin to consider that this country of ours is also theirs .Why not appoint a T/C to a Government post , or some other social and welfare position , start by practicing what they preach to the international community. Embrace the T/Cs and treat them as equals for starters , show them that they matter and reciprocation , part of our Cypriot culture , will occur.


At last the old miltiades I agree if the GCs want to make any progress they have to take actions and measure to include TCs not maintain the stance of keeping them out, if TCs can see and experience that a united Cyprus is in their greater interests they will move forward but if the current momentum is maintained and increased you will see 65% increasing to 80% of TCs wanting a 2 state solution, this is a reality and the sooner GCs realize this the better it will be for them in the long run.
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:24 am

pitsilos wrote:so in your little mind the whole cyprus problem started with the gc.

and your proof of this is dependant on?

so what stopped turkey from doing the right thing the last 32 years? who ethnically cleanse people from the houses and turned a third of the country into a nazi state?

who put up fortified borders?

who invaded the second time and under a cease fire may i add.

of cource to you and vp, turkey came to liberated you. even shahmaran admitted you are under occupation. :lol:




I think it was you that first used the very intelligent term BLAH BLAH!

What you constantly fail to acknowledge is the fact that what ever happened before 1960, from the GC or Greece side or the Turkish side was wiped out the moment we became a republic. We became true Cypriots and had our own destiny in our hands. We gave that responsibility to that monstrosity Makarios and he fucked it up. It is as simple as that and if it takes a "little mind" to acknowledge that fact then I suggest that you start to grow one straight away. What happened with Turkey is no secret. Yes they moved in and saved us from certain death but they also had their interests in the island and secured a bargaining tool. It may have been wrong but it is more wrong for the RoC not to recognise that. The RoC then has been fighting a war purely on a selfish basis and has not done one little thing to help the TCs and have made things a million times worse.
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Postby ken910 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:18 am

i would much rather be riding a donkey than excepting greek rule the whole island is in this mess cause the greeks dont want to share power let alone their wealth dont forget they have a godfather for a president that is also to busy filling his pockets
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:38 am

k.k.k.ken if i can make a quick correction here, i think in your case the donkey is still riding you :lol:
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