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[Kikapu]

So this is great you suggest we take to the streets and tell the Turks to leave without securing a settlement? cant really see this happening do you? as it would us in an economic turmoil and at the mercy of of the GCs who would want to themselves in danger and without a road map or any safeguards?.

Village People,

You and which TC army is going to tell Turkey to pack up her "tanks" and go home, even if you wanted. Oh, what a laugh. You have allowed yourself to be assimilated, yes, that terrible word you always use against others, to be assimilated by Turks from Turkey. So, if anyone is going to tell anyone to pack their bags and move, it's going to be the majority in the "TRNC", which happens to be the Turks, telling the minority, the TC's, to move to the RoC, to be with their Greek Cypriot brothers, because they are not going anywhere, unless Turkey decides to leave for other reasons, that best serves her. Please do not insult our intelligence, that you have any say so, even in your own "make believe Country, the TRNC", that you can tell Turkey what to do.

Oh shit, I can't stop laughing, help.

So who is goimg to tell Turkey what to do then Kikapu......the RoC?

Going on what you are saying, no one can tell Turkey what to do so why not make peace with them or are you opting for war as well????/

Turkey is going to tell Turkey, to leave. Not the RoC, not the UN, not the EU, not the USA, and most definitely, not the minority, Turkish Cypriots, and if you take it to the streets, to demand that they leave before they are ready, look to see some public executions. Sorry my TC friends and brothers, but our Souls may belong to GOD but our ASSES now belong to Turkey. Do you remember my slogan from yesterday.?

"GAS, GRASS, or ASS....no body rides for free".

We don't have GAS.

We don't have GRASS :

We have a lot of ASS.

[zan]

So again why not make peace with our brothers?????

[Viewpoint]

The TCs are not cheap labour.
Cheap labour are the Sri-Lankas.

Do you know any TC laborers? Go ask them.

Yes I do know TCs who work in the free areas. One of them is a mechanic at Mitsubishi. I put their salaries many times in this forum and I PROVED they are the same as the GCs.

How many do you know? Tell me what salaries they get?
How many Sri-Lankas do you know? Tell me what salary A Sri-Lanka gets.

Fyi the average salary a TC gets in the free areas is more than what a TC teacher with 30 years experience gets. You put down figures and then talk.

I know a banker, teacher and chemical engineer who work in the south as building labourers, they get 250 cyp a week for hard graft, they claim to get less than their GC colleagues and are treated like shit, they cannot complain as their boss does not pay any contributions to the GC administration.

I know a GC family who have a Sri Lanken house maid who gets 180 a week full house and board and 2 trips home a year.

How many TC work in the GC admimistration? how many TC lawyers do you have? how many TC doctors???? Put down the figures and then we talk.

[Viewpoint]

Although it actually makes me sad Kikapu is right VP. The TCs cannot tell Turkey to leave. Even if tomorrow everything is agreed between the GCs and TCs Turkey will not approve and will refuse to leave. She will find a thousand excuses for that.

Even more sad is that the Anan Plan (after the GC NO) did not have the chance to go all the way through to see if Turkey would realy accept it and withdraw.
You know very well that Turkey reserved the right (in case both sides had said yes) to pass it through her general assembly and through her Generals for approval. I have no doubt the Generals would put down objections and let it pass conditionally. (Something similar to what Turkey did with her unilatteral declaration at EU).

Im sorry I dont see it this way if the TCs were to believe that unificaiton would be better than what we have today then they would take to the streets and lodge the necessary complaints about Turkey unwanted presence, this would put them in a very difficult situation worldwide and they would have to back down. But of course we all know this is very unlikely as the momentum for unification was lost after the referendum and the tide has changed towards we are better off as we are and we should work towards easing of embargoes, getting our side of the story accross and ulitimately if things remain as they are recognition.

[Pyrpolizer]

I know a banker, teacher and chemical engineer who work in the south as building labourers, they get 250 cyp a week for hard graft, they claim to get less than their GC colleagues and are treated like shit, they cannot complain as their boss does not pay any contributions to the GC administration.

I dont know any Banker (!!!!) but I know of a whole army of Greek Cypriot teachers and Enginees who cannot find a job in their field so they stay unemployed. But I know one who is a mathematician and when he became 42 they called him at the Ministry of Education for an interview to employ him. They asked him what Mathematics he remembers and he said nothing. They asked him what is he currently doing and he said he got his fathers butchers shop and he sells meat. As you can understand there are whole ques of GCs waiting for a "precious" government job

My own brother got unemployed and he took whatever job he could find at construction sites. His sallary was 170 pounds per week. It is obvious that the chemical Engineer and the teacher you know and who get 250 cyp per week are NOT employed as labourers but as foremen. Because no labourer gets 250 CYP at construction sites they get much less.

I ve seen with my own eyes the TCs working at construction sites I spoke to them and what you say that they are treated like shit is A LIE. You are invited to come and visit together any construction site you wish and see together if the TCs are treated any differently.

The truth is some TCs ask their boses not to pay social insurance for them and give them that money just to increase their salary. And like I said before the employers can’t refuse because the next day the worker goes next door and finds another job at construction sites.

I know a GC family who have a Sri Lanken house maid who gets 180 a week full house and board and 2 trips home a year.

You are a PROPAGANDIST indeed. Yes the Sri-Lanks ALL OF THEM get 180 cyp. NOT PER WEEK BUT PER MONTH! And they house them at their back yard. Yes the employer is oblidged by Law to pay them a trip back home. NOT 2 trips per year BUT 1 TRIP EVERY 2 YEARS!

How many TC work in the GC admimistration? how many TC lawyers do you have? how many TC doctors???? Put down the figures and then we talk.

I know some TC University proffessors whose salaries range from 3000-5000 cyp per month
Niyazi Gizilyurek
Neshe Yashin
Ozdemir Ozgur.

I know some journalists working at RIK too one of the is "Mr Asiz" a wanted man by TMT, who is not even allowed to cross to see his relatives at the pseudo.

Lawyers is a free proffession but I know Alpay Durduran.

So what do you expect? The RoC knock out of the queue the GC doctors who seek work at hospitals and start employing TC doctors who live in the occupied and the only thing they care for is how to get money from the sweat of GCs?

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

I dont know any Banker (!!!!) but I know of a whole army of Greek Cypriot teachers and Enginees who cannot find a job in their field so they stay unemployed.

what are you saying here

But I know one who is a mathematician and when he became 42 they called him at the Ministry of Education for an interview to employ him. They asked him what Mathematics he remembers and he said nothing. They asked him what is he currently doing and he said he got his fathers butchers shop and he sells meat. As you can understand there are whole ques of GCs waiting for a "precious" government job

But dont your consitution stipulate 30% to Tcs But you are right GC should always come first in a GC state.

My own brother got unemployed and he took whatever job he could find at construction sites. His sallary was 170 pounds per week. It is obvious that the chemical Engineer and the teacher you know and who get 250 cyp per week are NOT employed as labourers but as foremen. Because no labourer gets 250 CYP at construction sites they get much less.

Then your brother is getting ripped off or his contirbutions are being paid simple as that. Really what is the use of me supply figures when you are going to rip thm to shreds.

I ve seen with my own eyes the TCs working at construction sites I spoke to them and what you say that they are treated like shit is A LIE. You are invited to come and visit together any construction site you wish and see together if the TCs are treated any differently.

Have you checked all the sites? and spoken to all the TC workers?

You are a PROPAGANDIST indeed. Yes the Sri-Lanks ALL OF THEM get 180 cyp. NOT PER WEEK BUT PER MONTH! And they house them at their back yard. Yes the employer is oblidged by Law to pay them a trip back home. NOT 2 trips per year BUT 1 TRIP EVERY 2 YEARS!

Why do I bother, do you want me to give you the name and address of this GC family??? I know another GC family who pay 450 cyp a month and 1 trip home a year, I am sure there are a variety of arrangements, are you just trying to discredit everything I say or have you a personal vendetta against me, this is getting very tiresom and boring.

I know some TC University proffessors whose salaries range from 3000-5000 cyp per month
Niyazi Gizilyurek
Neshe Yashin
Ozdemir Ozgur.

I know some journalists working at RIK too one of the is "Mr Asiz" a wanted man by TMT, who is not even allowed to cross to see his relatives at the pseudo.

Lawyers is a free proffession but I know Alpay Durduran.

10 People in thousands equals 000000000.1% come on the majoirty of TC workers are in the building trade and are cheap labour.

So what do you expect? The RoC knock out of the queue the GC doctors who seek work at hospitals and start employing TC doctors who live in the occupied and the only thing they care for is how to get money from the sweat of GCs?

No I only argue this when you say you are providing jobs because you love us so much and that you are doing us a favor, these workers are a shame to the TRNC I feel saddened that they have to come beg to the GCs for work, our government should do more so they are not put in that position. You have every right to refuse these people work but you could not then claim to doing us a favor could you? and tell the world the " RoC" resprrsents TCs.

[raymanuva]

Viewpoint for fucks sake stop quoting so much, i scrolled 2 miles worth of mousescrolls today, cmon u are unbeleavably annoying and i dont give a crap about your 'Point of View" / Opinions.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint for fucks sake stop quoting so much, i scrolled 2 miles worth of mousescrolls today, cmon u are unbeleavably annoying and i dont give a crap about your 'Point of View" / Opinions.

This is a public forum if you dont like it piss off.

[Pyrpolizer]

what are you saying here

I am saying that the same way you have engineers and teachers unemployed we too have enginners and teachers and lots of university graduates unemployed.

But dont your consitution stipulate 30% to Tcs Question But you are right GC should always come first in a GC state.





So now you remembered the constitution? You are a hell of law abiding citizen. Tell me what articles of the constitution do yourself abide? Does the constitution say you can steal the lands and properties of 180,000 GCs and live in homes you do not even own?

Then your brother is getting ripped off or his contirbutions are being paid simple as that. Really what is the use of me supply figures when you are going to rip thm to shreds.

Yeah. You know better than me so what’s the point?

Have you checked all the sites? and spoken to all the TC workers?

I checked each and everyone I happen to go. I said you are free to come and go together and check together any site you like.

I know another GC family who pay 450 cyp a month and 1 trip home a year, I am sure there are a variety of arrangements

There is absolutely no variety of agreements. Those people are supplied through companies and the salaries for them are between 160-200 pounds per month. And one trip every 2 years. Yes give me the name of the family you are talking about. Either they told you lies to show off or you are telling lies. And it is not a rare case to employ such people. One out of 4 does. I was thinking to hire one myself too…

10 People in thousands equals 000000000.1% come on the majoirty of TC workers are in the building trade and are cheap labour.

Those are the people I know personally. Am I oblidged to know all the high position TCs employed?

No I only argue this when you say you are providing jobs because you love us so much and that you are doing us a favor, these workers are a shame …

Where have I ever said that the GCs give them jobs because they love them? All I said is you should appreciate the fact that RoC does not allow the employers to import cheap labour from Europe. They passed a law that they cannot import labour as long as there is local manpower available. As simple as that. So the one who actually loves them is Papadopoulos.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

I am saying that the same way you have engineers and teachers unemployed we too have enginners and teachers and lots of university graduates unemployed.

Agreed.

So now you remembered the constitution? You are a hell of law abiding citizen. Tell me what articles of the constitution do yourself abide? Does the constitution say you can steal the lands and properties of 180,000 GCs and live in homes you do not even own?

Arent you bound by your consitution? why not ask those that apply for jobs how much they abide by the "RoC" consitituiton not me I dont abide by it nor do I come south looking for work.

Yeah. You know better than me so what’s the point?

Im not saying I know better than you we just have differing information all I was trying to point out is the TCs are mainly in manual low paid jobs whaere they are treated like Sri Lankens Indians etc, second class.

I checked each and everyone I happen to go. I said you are free to come and go together and check together any site you like.

"each and everyone" makes it sound like thousands more ike 2 or 3, plus why would I want to go a building site with you, you give me the impression you whould have no problem pushing me off the scaffolding.

There is absolutely no variety of agreements. Those people are supplied through companies and the salaries for them are between 160-200 pounds per month. And one trip every 2 years. Yes give me the name of the family you are talking about. Either they told you lies to show off or you are telling lies. And it is not a rare case to employ such people. One out of 4 does. I was thinking to hire one myself too…

Then these GC famalies are lieing and I will tell them you said that next time we meet.

Where have I ever said that the GCs give them jobs because they love them? All I said is you should appreciate the fact that RoC does not allow the employers to import cheap labour from Europe. They passed a law that they cannot import labour as long as there is local manpower available. As simple as that. So the one who actually loves them is Papadopoulos.

The love part was a joke....but hey you confirmed yourself the cheap labour from local sources which are the TCs, this was my point all along thankyou. The ex-eoka Turk hater perish the thought