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[humanist]

as i pointed out to Zan the other day I am more than willing to return to cyprus for a couple of years in the case of unification and volunteer in the social development and community development that enhaces breaking the barriers between the two communites and indeed all communities that live on the island, sad to pointout that is a subject tha not tc dares to mention none of them have ever discussed the plight of other minority groups in cyprus

[zan]

pitsilos, i continue to maintain my position a unified cyprus with freedom of movement, freedom of speech the right to all cyprus has to offer for all cypriots if Zan wishes to acuse me of that then that is okay that is his belief, where does his bias go? if Zan has an issue with me criticising turkeys invasion on cyprus and causing the demise of turkish cypriot community then i have to ask where is your allegiance and what is it providing for you. sometimes i feel more turkish cypriot than some turksih cypriots on this forum. at least i acknowledge that most turkish cypriots have immigrated because they are no better under turksih rule than under the greek cypriot govenrment of the 1960's

My allegiance lies first and foremost with common sense. The demise of the Turkish Cypriot community is a myth. What has happened is we have moved on just like they have in the south. There is no comparison to the south of today and the south of yesteryear. Yes Turkey has had a great influence on that change but so what, they have been there for 32 years and at last we have real Turkish television for a start. When I was there in 73 there was no Turkish TV and all I still have running through my head is an advert for toothpaste called "Kolinos" or something like that. Even if the island had not gone through the separation process, what language TV do you think the TC population would be watching today? Unless of course the RoC made it illegal to have Turkish TV????????



Your point about people emigrating because of Turkish presence is wrong again. People left because of a possible escalation of war. Now that war is less likely they are returning. The Turks are still there. If it was because of them then why are people returning. It does not make sense.

[humanist]

I am sorry but i do not understand what that common sense is..... if its separation or peace and unity and togetherness? anyway that is your point i acceopt that as your belief and I am not going to argue it.

as far as TV being an important part of a society well I don't get that one either.

as i had told you a couple of weeks ago, the belief of the turkish cypriot community in melbourne would discount your position in that the tc's left cyprus for other reasons than the fact that turkey was not looking after their interests at heart, i choose to accept a bit of both arguments. but i do believe that turkey could have and should have done more for tc's given that they were uprooted and displaced and many lives were lost. anyway if you and the rst of the tc opulation in cyprus and elsewhere are happy with things then let it be so.

[pitsilos]

humanist haven't you worked out the vp, zan and co mentality yet?

they are freeloaders. they are freeloading of turkey, the last 32 years, to which one day turkey will give them an invoice and then they'll start screaming and blaming the roc. expecting the roc to bail them out. expecting rights again.

as pyro correctly said, the same is happenning with the oil as the time when it was eu time.

they never stop to think, hang on, we didn't do anything to get in the eu via unification, we sure as hell did nothing to explore for oil, but never the less they want it for free.

now zan is accusing you for being biased for the simple reason he wants to keep your land and declare a country on an ethnically cleanse territory. and then they say lets have peace.

go figure.

We don't want anything for free, at least I don't. I have no idea what those in government want sometimes. The land we call the TRNC was won and sealed in blood. The blood was the consequences of your one sided leader that was supposed to represent all Cypriots. Go dig him up and ask him why you are now in the south.

then you complain when kifeas and piradis tells you that one sunny day...

but if that day comes and i hope we don't resort to that, you will be the first one complaining, again.

how the whole world is against you. something similar to what we seen a couple of years ago with the roc entry to the eu and again to what we see today with the oil

you are just a bunch of free loaders, and you have gone to fat with all these handouts.

i would like to be near enough when turkey gives you guys the bill, thats all

[Kifeas]

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[Kifeas]

We don't want anything for free, at least I don't. I have no idea what those in government want sometimes. The land we call the TRNC was won and sealed in blood. The blood was the consequences of your one sided leader that was supposed to represent all Cypriots. Go dig him up and ask him why you are now in the south.

Poor Zan, didn't I tell you that you are farting with someone else’s (a foreign) ass?

If you think that the blood of 1-2 thousand Turkish soldiers is enough to seal for you the land of the so-called "TRNC," you must know that we are prepared to loose the blood of 100,000 of us so that we will not to allow the loss of our for 3,500 years long occupied homeland. After all, we already have the bones of more than 10 million of our ancestors buried inside the soil of this part of our country, and every square meter of soil that exists in the north, onto which you now seat, carries inside it the bones of at least one of our ancestors. When you manage to burry 10 million of your ancestors in this land, then you may also claim it to be your homeland, instead of being ours. However, this can only happen after 5,000 years.

[humanist]

askimwoz, you pose a very interesting question,

[zan]

humanist haven't you worked out the vp, zan and co mentality yet?

they are freeloaders. they are freeloading of turkey, the last 32 years, to which one day turkey will give them an invoice and then they'll start screaming and blaming the roc. expecting the roc to bail them out. expecting rights again.

as pyro correctly said, the same is happenning with the oil as the time when it was eu time.

they never stop to think, hang on, we didn't do anything to get in the eu via unification, we sure as hell did nothing to explore for oil, but never the less they want it for free.

now zan is accusing you for being biased for the simple reason he wants to keep your land and declare a country on an ethnically cleanse territory. and then they say lets have peace.

go figure.

We don't want anything for free, at least I don't. I have no idea what those in government want sometimes. The land we call the TRNC was won and sealed in blood. The blood was the consequences of your one sided leader that was supposed to represent all Cypriots. Go dig him up and ask him why you are now in the south.

then you complain when kifeas and piradis tells you that one sunny day...

but if that day comes and i hope we don't resort to that, you will be the first one complaining, again.

how the whole world is against you. something similar to what we seen a couple of years ago with the roc entry to the eu and again to what we see today with the oil

you are just a bunch of free loaders, and you have gone to fat with all these handouts.

i would like to be near enough when turkey gives you guys the bill, thats all

And you are a bunch of murderers that have lost a war and are still crying about it and because you are too weak to put up a fight against Turkey you want us to do it for you. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

[pitsilos]

point proven. you started crying already

[zan]

I would ask you to pass the tissues but I know you would only offer me the used ones. Yuck!