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[zan]

zan, what a united cyprus can offer you?
Certainlty a new better life and a new dream for you and your formost for your children, with more freedom of speech, away from patronising motherlands and surely more prosperous. Without the isolation thing that is kept recycling in this forum.
Is it going to be tough at the beggining? Oh, sure its going to be tough but people have to have courage as things will get much better...don't forget that the economic burden will fall on the shoulders of GCs...doesn't it say anything to you that the majority of GCs in this forum believe in the solution even though they will have to pay the cost of funding the development of the north?
Don't forget that the RoC managed to house one third of its population after the invation and the loss of 70% of the island's economic resources, a United Cyprus will be in a much better position to solve any short term problems that are expected to arise. It only needs to be patient and believe in this dream.

Good speach but where is the bread and butter. The GCs are going to buy the bread and the butter and we are to be thrown the crumbs. The short term problems will be the TCs and they can be sorted easily. So we give up the little we have managed to get togetrher in 32 years of isolation and 11 years of greater isolation before then to...........get social housing? To pay rent to GC landlords? To work for GC bosses who will end up taking everything they spend on us back...........................

[humanist]

Zan, just like you have been pushed out of your home so did many others from both sides, so we're allon an even slate. The place you call your home, is stolen land am sorry but that is the reality. you also do dnot live in the place you call home. so where does that leave any of us.

your dream will only be turned into a nightmare because that is what you want to create my friend, you keep separating yourself and allignning yourself to the turks, that have fucked over most turkish speaking cypriots, and no matter what we suggest you as a separatist will not accept a good gesture when you see one. and you are right i did sort it out in my head because who would listen to me, certainly not the politicians and as you have illustrated certainly not you.

and that is fine so long as you do not want unification then the price is isolation and may i say self isolation because that is all there is.

you have more freedom to live and work and buy and sell than greek seaking cypriots.

i also like to ad that if you think this forum is not in any way checked by politicians you are very mistaken, so what is suggested here by you me or anyone else is somhow consdered by those in power.


Shahmaran, are a turk living in cyprus or just want to be part of the chat? the RoC is not imposing isolation as help its trying to maintain its sovereinghty and the rights of its refugees.

Zan perhaps in a solution of bizonzl bicommunal federation of independence there could be consideration for property exchange and you can remain in the north if there is land available for you to occupy, or if someone wants to do an exchange with your land in the south, but ofcourse that would be too much because we are offering yet another fair solution.

[zan]

Zan, just like you have been pushed out of your home so did many others from both sides, so we're allon an even slate. The place you call your home, is stolen land am sorry but that is the reality. you also do dnot live in the place you call home. so where does that leave any of us.

your dream will only be turned into a nightmare because that is what you want to create my friend, you keep separating yourself and allignning yourself to the turks, that have fucked over most turkish speaking cypriots, and no matter what we suggest you as a separatist will not accept a good gesture when you see one. and you are right i did sort it out in my head because who would listen to me, certainly not the politicians and as you have illustrated certainly not you.

and that is fine so long as you do not want unification then the price is isolation and may i say self isolation because that is all there is.

you have more freedom to live and work and buy and sell than greek seaking cypriots.

i also like to ad that if you think this forum is not in any way checked by politicians you are very mistaken, so what is suggested here by you me or anyone else is somhow consdered by those in power.


Shahmaran, are a turk living in cyprus or just want to be part of the chat? the RoC is not imposing isolation as help its trying to maintain its sovereinghty and the rights of its refugees.

Zan perhaps in a solution of bizonzl bicommunal federation of independence there could be consideration for property exchange and you can remain in the north if there is land available for you to occupy, or if someone wants to do an exchange with your land in the south, but ofcourse that would be too much because we are offering yet another fair solution.

So in the end you too have ended up at the point where the return of land is at the top of your singular agenda. Return the land and screw the rest. Sorry mate but if that is the attitude then you no longer make sense or are deserving of your screen name. To be a humanist means to care for all and not just for a minority. You too have nailed your colours to the mast and have chosen to ignore the realities and consequences. Every one like you has resorted to taking sides and I do not blame you but don't expect me to support your ideology created through a need to represent only one side. I cannot say I am not disappointed.

[shahmaran]

sorry humanist, i should have used quotes, but i was replying to akimwos's post to me from a couple of pages back.

..and for your information i am TC but i just dont see myself to be as distant from Turkey as you think i should do, i do not need to be from Turkey to have a certain amount of scepticism towards RoC's strategies, considering the last 50 years...

[pitsilos]

what you don't like some home truths?

why is it you feel nothing for the 200,000 homeless and you fell humanitarian all of a sudden for the illegals?

all i want to know at what stage will you be paying turkey back for all the money she tipped into the occupied areas? or you think is just gonna simply forget these loans as well?

this is also part of the problem, you guys borrowing and spending and expecting others to foot the bill.

[humanist]

Zan that is entirely your perception and interpretation of me. in relation to cyprus there are many elements and one of them is the return of land and it is not the land itself my friend this bloody land has come to represent freedom, justice and choice. that is all this bloody 3000 squares of land have come to represent.

i take sides when i need too and what i believe to be right, i believe in two states under a federal government, i believe that the northern/ green/ yellow whatever you want to call it ought to remain the same size as the south/ purple/ yellow whatever you want to call it. i believe that all cypriots have equal rights and access to health education economic and social development, i believe in fredom of movement for all cypriots, i believe in one country like UK, Australia, US where all citizens have same and equal ruights, I hear that safety is important for turkish speaking cypriots to this end i believe that there needs to be policies in place to ensure that this is upheld and anyone from any background is dealt appropriately should the infringe on the safety of another, yes you are right i couldn't give a damn whetehr they are greek, turkish, maronite, or armenian, if you act innapropriately and you abuse anyone you face the consequesces, in my previous posts i have argued for a committee to look at settlers on individual basis with most of them being granted citizenship i fail to see how this is not supporting all cypriots, to date you can choose to live and own property anywhere you like in cyprus and be full fledged citizen i cannot, i am sorry that you are disappointed i could feel it, but thanks for you r honesty. more so i have argued for both lanuguages to be taught at schools and for people religious holidays to be celebrated accross the board that is equality,

[pitsilos]

humanist haven't you worked out the vp, zan and co mentality yet?

they are freeloaders. they are freeloading of turkey, the last 32 years, to which one day turkey will give them an invoice and then they'll start screaming and blaming the roc. expecting the roc to bail them out. expecting rights again.

as pyro correctly said, the same is happenning with the oil as the time when it was eu time.

they never stop to think, hang on, we didn't do anything to get in the eu via unification, we sure as hell did nothing to explore for oil, but never the less they want it for free.

now zan is accusing you for being biased for the simple reason he wants to keep your land and declare a country on an ethnically cleanse territory. and then they say lets have peace.

go figure.

[zan]

humanist haven't you worked out the vp, zan and co mentality yet?

they are freeloaders. they are freeloading of turkey, the last 32 years, to which one day turkey will give them an invoice and then they'll start screaming and blaming the roc. expecting the roc to bail them out. expecting rights again.

as pyro correctly said, the same is happenning with the oil as the time when it was eu time.

they never stop to think, hang on, we didn't do anything to get in the eu via unification, we sure as hell did nothing to explore for oil, but never the less they want it for free.

now zan is accusing you for being biased for the simple reason he wants to keep your land and declare a country on an ethnically cleanse territory. and then they say lets have peace.

go figure.

We don't want anything for free, at least I don't. I have no idea what those in government want sometimes. The land we call the TRNC was won and sealed in blood. The blood was the consequences of your one sided leader that was supposed to represent all Cypriots. Go dig him up and ask him why you are now in the south.

[humanist]

pitsilos, i continue to maintain my position a unified cyprus with freedom of movement, freedom of speech the right to all cyprus has to offer for all cypriots if Zan wishes to acuse me of that then that is okay that is his belief, where does his bias go? if Zan has an issue with me criticising turkeys invasion on cyprus and causing the demise of turkish cypriot community then i have to ask where is your allegiance and what is it providing for you. sometimes i feel more turkish cypriot than some turksih cypriots on this forum. at least i acknowledge that most turkish cypriots have immigrated because they are no better under turksih rule than under the greek cypriot govenrment of the 1960's

[askimwos]

zan, what a united cyprus can offer you?
Certainlty a new better life and a new dream for you and your formost for your children, with more freedom of speech, away from patronising motherlands and surely more prosperous. Without the isolation thing that is kept recycling in this forum.
Is it going to be tough at the beggining? Oh, sure its going to be tough but people have to have courage as things will get much better...don't forget that the economic burden will fall on the shoulders of GCs...doesn't it say anything to you that the majority of GCs in this forum believe in the solution even though they will have to pay the cost of funding the development of the north?
Don't forget that the RoC managed to house one third of its population after the invation and the loss of 70% of the island's economic resources, a United Cyprus will be in a much better position to solve any short term problems that are expected to arise. It only needs to be patient and believe in this dream.

Good speach but where is the bread and butter. The GCs are going to buy the bread and the butter and we are to be thrown the crumbs. The short term problems will be the TCs and they can be sorted easily. So we give up the little we have managed to get togetrher in 32 years of isolation and 11 years of greater isolation before then to...........get social housing? To pay rent to GC landlords? To work for GC bosses who will end up taking everything they spend on us back...........................

Zan sorry mate but I do not think that there can be any discussion when the one side doesn't even want to listen. Let me just ask you a question mate..since your agenda is taksim why are you here in this forum? Certainly you are not here to try to convince me that this is the best solution. You don't need to do this, afterall you sureley have the power of Turkey to back you up and keep living as you do now. Why do I get the impression that its TCs that you may be after?
I am not a refugee and have nothing to win from a United Cyprus in terms of material "goods", quite the opposite, as you say I will foot the bill, but hey I am willing to do that so I can live in a free and united country without patronising motherlands. I am willing to do this for Andreas who is a refugee from Varoshia and Ahmet who is a refugee from Limassol.
And please cut the shit about leaving your home again, you know that it won't be like that...surely you wontfind yourself in the street and you you won't be living in social housing if this is what scares you. If you had a house prior to 1974 you are going to get it back and do whatever you want with this, the same goes with a GC refugee that lives in a TCs house in the south. In the case that you had nothing prior to 1974 and you were handed GC property and land after 1974 I can see why you refuse to let go.
I am afraid that it was you that brought it again to property and land and nobody else, this shows that this is your main concern mate. I think the main difference between us two is that one of us is greedy and the other is not.
Let me ask you a question just to see your way of thinking...Would you vote yes to a plan that leaves Greece and Turkey completely out of the equation, creates a federal Cyprus with more or less the powersharing aspects that the Annan plan described and be compensated for the loss of the GC property you currently use in the case that the GC refugee wanted to reside in it?