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[pitsilos]

oh i forgot the interest rate, and the interest over 32 years would probably be triple the principal.

this will make it then roughly us$278,000 for every living person in the occuppied areas.

again the cost of securiry is not factored in.

[zan]

What we TCs need to do is follow their example and look for our own oil in the northern part of the sea which we can extract and benefit the TRNC.

Vague Point,

You just don't get it, do you.?

"TRNC" is not a Country that has it's own "recognised borders" or it's own "International Waters", so what ever oil is found off the coast of Northern Cyprus, would still belong to the RoC. If you think, any International oil drilling companies is going to cross over the legal-illegal boundaries of internationally recognised Countries to get the oil for you, once again, you're being a Lemming.

In order to best serve your community, as you claim what you want, which I'm not convinced that's where your loyalties lies, is to set up a 2 States, 1 Country for all to work together to benefit together from any and all oil found off the coast of the island of Cyprus.

It's time for you to start thinking, how can my Community benefit living in a Internationally recognised and respected Country, as suppose to, what else can my community try to get away with, by not playing by the rules.

We are Kiapu. When we get the TRNC?KKTC recognised we will have all those things......legally. Untill then we can survive being recognised by just one country. If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise......yes......if there is just one person there to witness it........

More like a "one hand clap" into thin air. How much noise that that make.

None, but the gesture is there!

[zan]

zan wrote

We are no longer victims but in charge of our own destiny with our own way of doing things and our own guarantees.

the question is can you afford all these things? or are you living beyond your means?

and i wouldn't go as far as saying you are in charge of your destiny, because its ludicrous.

the way i see it every single person in the occupied areas owes to momma turkey as from today a cool us$96,000 each and thats not taking into account the security aspect. once pricing the security aspect the actual fugure would be much higher.

one sunny day momma turkey is gonna holler out show me da money

but yeah i can say you're king dicks

We are indebted to Turkey. Thank you Turkey.

[BirKibrisli]

thanks Birkibrisli

You are welcome,dear friend.Most welcome.

[BirKibrisli]

In this thread I saw a side of Shahmaran which gave me plenty of hope.
He is at least prepared to debate the issues,and he doesn't think personal safety is a big issue...

This is a big step because most TCs (as the examples of Zan,VP and Mrfromng shows) are concerned primarily about personal safety. They fear organised massacres of the 60s and 70s to repeat themselves.
You can't do much with people with such pathological fears.Except perhaps to point out that that is not how they live their lives now.
For example we do not lock up our children in heavily armed castles,never let them out of our sight simply becuse we cannot guarantee their physical safety when they are out of the house and mixing with strangers. We don't tell them they will have to make do with the money we give them from our own pockets,and they better get used to the idea they will live and die behing the castle walls because we are too paranoid about letting them have their own lives...This is exactly what the likes of VP would have us do as a community.

My conviction that we have little option as TCs and GCs but to try to put our past behind us and our Cypriotness in front of us,gets stronger with each passing day.We owe it to ourselves to our children and to our homeland to solve our differences by civilised talk and discussion like it is happening in this thread. Give yourselves a pat on the back everyone.

And because of lack of proper and appropriate care, when something happens you then become a victim. You give your press conference with your eyes filled with tears and want a group hug to make it all better. We don't want that to happen. We are no longer victims but in charge of our own destiny with our own way of doing things and our own guarantees.

You can never guarantee 100% that nothing will ever happen to your children,Zan. And if because of your pathological fear of "stranger danger" you lock your children up and don't allow them the freedom and opportunities to find their own way in life,you are stunting their growth and styfling their creativity and future hapiness. They will eventually judge you,and you will never be forgiven...

[pitsilos]

zan wrote

We are no longer victims but in charge of our own destiny with our own way of doing things and our own guarantees.

the question is can you afford all these things? or are you living beyond your means?

and i wouldn't go as far as saying you are in charge of your destiny, because its ludicrous.

the way i see it every single person in the occupied areas owes to momma turkey as from today a cool us$96,000 each and thats not taking into account the security aspect. once pricing the security aspect the actual fugure would be much higher.

one sunny day momma turkey is gonna holler out show me da money

but yeah i can say you're king dicks

We are indebted to Turkey. Thank you Turkey.

indebted alright until the invoice comes in the fax machine

and don't be going stingy on me forgetting the 10% tip

[zan]

In this thread I saw a side of Shahmaran which gave me plenty of hope.
He is at least prepared to debate the issues,and he doesn't think personal safety is a big issue...

This is a big step because most TCs (as the examples of Zan,VP and Mrfromng shows) are concerned primarily about personal safety. They fear organised massacres of the 60s and 70s to repeat themselves.
You can't do much with people with such pathological fears.Except perhaps to point out that that is not how they live their lives now.
For example we do not lock up our children in heavily armed castles,never let them out of our sight simply becuse we cannot guarantee their physical safety when they are out of the house and mixing with strangers. We don't tell them they will have to make do with the money we give them from our own pockets,and they better get used to the idea they will live and die behing the castle walls because we are too paranoid about letting them have their own lives...This is exactly what the likes of VP would have us do as a community.

My conviction that we have little option as TCs and GCs but to try to put our past behind us and our Cypriotness in front of us,gets stronger with each passing day.We owe it to ourselves to our children and to our homeland to solve our differences by civilised talk and discussion like it is happening in this thread. Give yourselves a pat on the back everyone.

And because of lack of proper and appropriate care, when something happens you then become a victim. You give your press conference with your eyes filled with tears and want a group hug to make it all better. We don't want that to happen. We are no longer victims but in charge of our own destiny with our own way of doing things and our own guarantees.

You can never guarantee 100% that nothing will ever happen to your children,Zan. And if because of your pathological fear of "stranger danger" you lock your children up and don't allow them the freedom and opportunities to find their own way in life,you are stunting their growth and styfling their creativity and future hapiness. They will eventually judge you,and you will never be forgiven...

Oh, for them to judge me and not have to judge my self when I am standing over their graves. There is protection and over protection. There is carelessness and downright neglect. I prefer to err on the side of caution.

[BirKibrisli]

zan wrote

We are no longer victims but in charge of our own destiny with our own way of doing things and our own guarantees.

the question is can you afford all these things? or are you living beyond your means?

and i wouldn't go as far as saying you are in charge of your destiny, because its ludicrous.

the way i see it every single person in the occupied areas owes to momma turkey as from today a cool us$96,000 each and thats not taking into account the security aspect. once pricing the security aspect the actual fugure would be much higher.

one sunny day momma turkey is gonna holler out show me da money

but yeah i can say you're king dicks

You are mistaken,pitsilos....Momma Turkey will never ask for any money.The TCs have already paid the ultimate price: they have lost their freedom,dignity,identity,self-confidence and self-respect. Turkey has already extracted her pound of flesh...

[pitsilos]

i don't think so bir. we are talking about a signifigant sum of money that turkey desperately needs. today

i just feel the tcs are taking advantage of the situation, beleiving that this money is never to be paid back.

wrong attitude.

unfortunately in turkey, someday, someone is gonna have a big say about this

[zan]

zan wrote

We are no longer victims but in charge of our own destiny with our own way of doing things and our own guarantees.

the question is can you afford all these things? or are you living beyond your means?

and i wouldn't go as far as saying you are in charge of your destiny, because its ludicrous.

the way i see it every single person in the occupied areas owes to momma turkey as from today a cool us$96,000 each and thats not taking into account the security aspect. once pricing the security aspect the actual fugure would be much higher.

one sunny day momma turkey is gonna holler out show me da money

but yeah i can say you're king dicks

You are mistaken,pitsilos....Momma Turkey will never ask for any money.The TCs have already paid the ultimate price: they have lost their freedom,dignity,identity,self-confidence and self-respect. Turkey has already extracted her pound of flesh...

And the Hyenas are gathering for the rest.......