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[GorillaGal]

pete, you are a riot.

[cypezokyli]

here s a report from NDI

The delegation concludes that, with the exception of limits placed on the number of voters who were allowed to cast ballots in East Jerusalem, none of the shortcomings cited above had a material impact on the results. Consequently, the outcome should be considered to reflect the will of the people. Palestinians and the international community now look to the newly-elected leaders to put in place genuinely democratic institutions and processes that will bring peace and prosperity to the West Bank and Gaza. As the Palestinian people build on the success of these elections and continue to work toward these goals, NDI offers the following recommendations.

http://www.accessdemocracy.org/library/ ... 012506.pdf

thats what these people do :

The National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI) is a nonprofit organization working to strengthen and expand democracy worldwide. Calling on a global network of volunteer experts, NDI provides practical assistance to civic and political leaders advancing democratic values, practices and institutions. NDI works with democrats in every region of the world to build political and civic organizations, safeguard elections, and to promote citizen participation, openness and accountability in government.

http://www.ndi.org/about/about.asp


this is from the BBC

The Americans, after all, were pushing democracy as the solution to the stagnation, corruption and decay of the Arab world.
But the message from the US, the European Union and the Russians was essentially that you Palestinians can vote for who you like, but if we don't approve of the winner we don't have to deal with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6300317.stm

this is a in a nutshell what the US considers as "democracy".

Whereas in Iraq parties that opposed the occupation had to downplay or even obscure their views, Palestinian supporters of armed resistance to Israel's expansionist strategies were able to run openly. It is true that Hamas candidates did not make relations with Israel the centrepiece of their campaign. They focused on reform in the Palestinian Authority. But few voters were unaware of Hamas's uncompromising hostility to occupation and its record in fighting it.

Wednesday's election was remarkable also in owing nothing to Washington's (selective) efforts to promote democracy in the Arab world. Instead, it was further proof that civil society in Palestine is more vibrant than anywhere else in the region and that Palestinian politics has its own dynamics, dictated not by outside pressure but the social and economic demands of ordinary people in appalling conditions. Providing a forum to freely express hopes and fears, debate policy and seek agreed solutions is, after all, what democracy is about.

....
Hamas may eventually disarm itself and recognise Israel. That will be the end of the process of establishing a just modus vivendi for Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East. It cannot be the first step. Today's priority is to accept that Palestinians have spoken freely. They deserve respect and support.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/commen ... 58,00.html


thats when the problem began..... the west inability to accept a democratic result.....thats the problem

[shahmaran]

well who ever doubted that Americas main priority was to bring democracy, love and joy to the planet

[Pete_D]

Well, this is "stating the obvious", but the interests of the USA and ALL nations are to defend the security of their population, ensure the continued existence of the state and to enhance its economic & political prosperity and general place in the world order. I would've thought that much is obvious?

One way a nation may decide to do this - and look after future interests - is to become isolationist. Another way is to enforce its ideologies on the rest of the world. (Contrast e.g north korea with the british empire at its peak). The USA has, at times, chosen both of these policies to some extent.

Re. democracy and the freedom of speech which naturally accompanies it, well of course if this did not exist anywhere in the world then you, I and anyone posting on this forum would not be permitted to say any of the things we currently get away with saying! So we all no need to be thankful for democracy in some way, shape or form... irrespective of how it arrived in our current locales.

Pete

[miltiades]

Spot on cyperzokyli !! Just what I exprected , that bloody American finger !!
Who can blame the Palestinians , it.s the bloody Americans at it again !!!!!!!!

are you in a position to answer to me two simple questions ?
(personally i believe you are not , but i will nevertheless try ...once again)


were the elections fair ?
why doesnt the US accepts a democratic result ?
is that a reason for an embargo ? (under which western ethical law? )



let me guess the answer.... unshaved uneducated bastards who just enjoy blowing themselves up

Spot on cyperzokyli ! The elections were very fair indeed , but the result was unacceptable to the West since the Party of Hamas was sworn , and still is , to the destruction of Israel , you do not surely expect the USA to go ahead and align with such ideology do you ?
As far as the savages that daily blow themselves up taking with them innocent women and children , I say good f..ng riddance you bastards .To any one who supports such barbaric events I also say wake up moron , there is a lot more to life than death, these bastards do not value life as you know .

[GorillaGal]

Well, this is "stating the obvious", but the interests of the USA and ALL nations are to defend the security of their population, ensure the continued existence of the state and to enhance its economic & political prosperity and general place in the world order. I would've thought that much is obvious?

One way a nation may decide to do this - and look after future interests - is to become isolationist. Another way is to enforce its ideologies on the rest of the world. (Contrast e.g north korea with the british empire at its peak). The USA has, at times, chosen both of these policies to some extent.

Re. democracy and the freedom of speech which naturally accompanies it, well of course if this did not exist anywhere in the world then you, I and anyone posting on this forum would not be permitted to say any of the things we currently get away with saying! So we all no need to be thankful for democracy in some way, shape or form... irrespective of how it arrived in our current locales.

Pete

Pete, you are a very wise man!

[cypezokyli]

Spot on cyperzokyli !! Just what I exprected , that bloody American finger !!
Who can blame the Palestinians , it.s the bloody Americans at it again !!!!!!!!

are you in a position to answer to me two simple questions ?
(personally i believe you are not , but i will nevertheless try ...once again)


were the elections fair ?
why doesnt the US accepts a democratic result ?
is that a reason for an embargo ? (under which western ethical law? )



let me guess the answer.... unshaved uneducated bastards who just enjoy blowing themselves up

Spot on cyperzokyli ! The elections were very fair indeed , but the result was unacceptable to the West since the Party of Hamas was sworn , and still is , to the destruction of Israel , you do not surely expect the USA to go ahead and align with such ideology do you ?

problem is miltiades is that you dont pay attention to internal politics of the palestinians.
they voted for hamas not bc it wants to destroy israel.
fatah who rules for years was simply too corrupt. the election campaign for hamas concentrated more on social, economic and corruption problems. thats why they received the vote.

not to mention that hamas, is the one who can better control the most militant parts of extremists. so it makes more sense to have them in negotiations.

had they given them a chance, and proven to the middle east that the west is indeed respecting their democratic will, possibly they would have taken a more moderate stance. had the let them govern and fail they would simple have lost their legitimacy from the people themselves. this way only makes them more popural...

[miltiades]

cypezokyli wrote:
"""""fatah who rules for years was simply too corrupt. the election campaign for hamas concentrated more on social, economic and corruption problems. thats why they received the vote. """

Come on Cyper , you must know for god sake all Arabs are Corrupt , each and every Arab country is totally corrupt. This is the way that the M.East works and has worked for years .

[GorillaGal]

every contry in the world is corrupt in some way or another. saying that all arab countries are corrupt is like saying all people who drink orange juice will die.

[shahmaran]

but didnt you know that its that simple for Miltiades....