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[insan]

Jimmy... call me when you have come.

[brother]

ehhhhh

[insan]

What's the matter re brother? I'm waiting jimmy to continue discussing on the issue above which seems only involves Jimmy.

[brother]

vallahi anlamadim onu yazarken (i did not understand)

[Saint Jimmy]

Hey, here I am, I was out shopping... By the way, if you are looking for a pair of black jeans, don't come looking in Leeds

Jimmy, I think this depends the goings-on in middle-east and the plans of western world over middle-east. What it seems to me that the globalization, new world order and great middle east projects of the western world will always put Cyprus under fire; even more than ever. The question here is what would be Turkey's, Greece's and Cyprus' role in these projects and how will people of Cyprus be affected under those circumstances...

Well, you might be right, although the English do have their sovereign bases in Cyprus forever, and they could have used them whenever they felt like it, no? But Cyprus has not been into any trouble because of that, so... Do you get my point? I mean, the western world can still use Cyprus, solution or no solution, anyway, so I don't see how things would be riskier with a western peace force here...

Yes, majority of people wants demilitarisation of Cyprus and even no more wars on entire world but the small self-interest groups always have been able to create some delusions in order to prepare the ground which serves their interests. And they have always managed to find some small but strong, local self-interest groups which willing to collaborate with them. In the end, big boys of the world in collaboration with the big boys of Cyprus will always hold the strings of majority in their hands. Who will struggle against those big boys of Cyprus? Some opposition groups of course. And if the propaganda war and interest clashes amongst those groups have ended up with some important people's assassination; most probably this would spark the fire of a new inter-communal strife in Cyprus. All these fictitious points of view may seem to you as predictions and speculations(For Piratis, excuses to keep Cyprus divided) but I think you would agree with me that those external factors will play a big role on future of Cyprus and of course two communities....

Ahaaaa... I think you are leaving out a huge parameter... You see, according to your argument, killings in one community by the other would bring us back to the '60s. However, a number of killings have taken place over the last years, even until the late '90s (Dherynia events and GC soldiers killed on the Buffer Zone), but there was no particular retaliation, perhaps in part for fear of the Turkish Army. But, this is precisely the point: the Turkish Army will always be a threat to us! And so will our nationalism be to you! We now know (30 years of knowledge is a big deal!) where that road goes, and I find it inconceivable that we'd take it again. It's just beyond me. The way I see it, even if some morons kill some poor guy, those with at least some common sense will not let things get out of hand.

Essentially, the members of Nato and members of EU have the same interests over middle easts. The parameters of their common interests only differs with the details; methods of the implementation of the plans, religous factors orthodoxy vs Islam, Sacred Lands, revival of Byzantium and it can be extended to some land disputes in near east; Armenians vs Turks, Kurds vs Turks etc......

But do they? What about Iraq? Surely, that's not 'details'!?!? And what about that US-France thing, projecting into the UK-France relationship? It seems to me like it goes pretty deep...

I'm not exactly sure what kind of reaction could have the Armenian or the Kurd thing affecting Cyprus...? I'm not especially familiar with those issues, anyway, so maybe you could fill me in on the relationship to Cyprus...?

Yes, but the question is; would Turkey be able to resist to US, UK and perhaps some others which may pressurize Turkey to accept to stationing a NATO/EU force in Cyprus? Perhaps, Turkey would give it in order to take something else; i.e prevention of a Kurdish State in Norther Iraq.

So, if she does, what's the problem? If they accept an EU force in Cyprus, the security issue becomes a hell of lot simpler...

[brother]

But who would trust the E.U force, they have constantly proved that in a conflict they are as useful as a pork chop in a synagogue.

[Saint Jimmy]

But who would trust the E.U force, they have constantly proved that in a conflict they are as useful as a pork chop in a synagogue.

Yeah, you are probably right, bro, but I guess my answer to that goes back to the 'emotional reasons' thing. I think there will be no real risk of Cyprus facing any more external dangers (in case of a solution, that is), unless we all get real stupid again, in which case whatever happens to us is going to be too little, but the force thing has to be there for emotional reasons or symbolic reasons, whatever: namely, that GCs (and perhaps TCs? not sure...) will feel safer from whatever delusional fear still stands in their hearts... (the term delusional stems from the logic that this fear is not really justified, as GCs generally admit that they no more raise issues/demands such as those that led to 1974, so... what could they possibly be afraid of?)

[insan]

Jimmy good points you raised. I'll be back with a reply to your questions... Thanks for constributing to this thread. Now I wonder what others opinions are... I've told you that I'm a greedy of knowledge