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[repulsewarrior]

ENOSIS and TAKISM are two sides of the same coin, and any discussion otherwise is fruitless.

If we are to go beyond the impasse, then the national interest of either population must be sustained. To do this the displaced (dating from 1960), and the settlers, must have their homes, rather than the houses in which they live. And they (all Cypriots, grecophone or turcophone, and not just GC or TC) must be united, in a State which is their representation as a peoples, members of the larger family, of Man, equals, and in global exchange.

Imagine if our world was bi-zonal, having many parts; and bi-communal, not with one government (or two), but three. It is a fantasy world where free association, free expression and free movement will fructify. It is a world where each community can sustain their own distinctiveness, adding to the vitality of their national identity, and adding to their ability to govern themselves independantly, as well as an inclusive society, with a Government which shares in their respect for Communal Rights, by preserving each and every citizen's equality, and by defending their Individual Rights.

[Viewpoint]

@Viewpoint

Why are you calling Birkibrisli names? Where has he ever called you any name, or even insulted you?
If I jump in you will not like it.

Pyro Bir gave himself that name....because hes closer to his GC brothers than he will ever be with TCs.

[Viewpoint]

Let me give you some more details:

The number of TRNC "citizens" are reportedly 133,937.
No information on how many of these are real TCs...

People with TRNC plus another citizenship reportedly 42,795.
I am confused as to who these people are...Perhaps people with foreign passports living in the TRNC???

People with both TRNC and Turkish citizenship reportedly 33,870

So given that de-jure population is supposedly 256,644 there are 46,042 people who are not TRNC citizens.Are these the settlers who have work permits? Or soldiers? or students?

Whichever way we look at it the number of real TCs are no more than 50% of the total population,by Ferdi Soyer's admission apparently...
So,Viewpoint...is there another state in the world where the noncitizens are equal to the citizens???

So what you are saying is that those with dual citizenship are not TCs, great thinking Birkopolous.

What I am saying,viewpoint,is that we have no idea how many of the 133,937 TRNC citizens are real TCs.We have no idea how many of the 42,795 are real TCs and how many are British or Israeli or Bulgarian or Pakistani or whatrever origin. And we don't know how many of the 33,870 are people who were born in Turkey and settled in Cyprus,how many were born in cyprus and became TUrkish citizens as well for some reason.

In fact we don't know much at all except some rough ambigious figures.
If you know any better please do enlighten us,Viewpoint...

Bir you have already made your mind up so whats the use, just accept that we are all TCs and Turks mixed together with a few other ethnic groups, at the end of the day we have a population of 256.644. Now if this population is made up mainly of Turks then that means assimilation has taken place and you are right 100%. The GCs arent worried about the balance so why should we? They can try and negotiate with whom ever they find whatever their ethnic origins.

[Viewpoint]

Birkoplous you are a lost soul in a sea of naivity telling TCs not to be afraid of assimiltaing with Greek Cypriots, why didnt you do this when it was your time while riding bareback on donkeys, you could have now be the proud Yiannos Birkoplous in a GC state with your GC brothers but hey dont worry you can still go live with them and assimilate all you want, why dont you? and leave us alone to assimilate with whom ever we wish, surely we have that right or are you denying us that freedom as well.

Why don’t you tell us how much you got assimilated when you were living in Limassol?
How much your parents were assimilated? Remember speaking another language is not assimilation.

We lived seperately as we do today...look at the TCs from Lourigina they ended up being more GCs than TCs.

[miltiades]

VP , you are a lost cause , you live on an island called Cyprus , and there isn't one iota of Cypriotness in you .You are a bloody foreigner that does not belong in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

VP , you are a lost cause , you live on an island called Cyprus , and there isn't one iota of Cypriotness in you .You are a bloody foreigner that does not belong in Cyprus.

What makes you say that? the fact that I do not want to be absorbed into a GC state? or that I want the best for my community?

[Pyrpolizer]

We lived seperately as we do today...look at the TCs from Lourigina they ended up being more GCs than TCs.

You did not answer my question. My question was about YOU personally and YOUR family How much you got assimilated while you were living in Limassol?

As for the TCs of Louroujina, even the last dog and cat in Cyprus knows that the TCs of Louroujina were Greeks who converted to mouslim. Ask any TC from Louroujina to confirm it. They never spoke Turkish for centuries.

[Pyrpolizer]

@Viewpoint

Why are you calling Birkibrisli names? Where has he ever called you any name, or even insulted you?
If I jump in you will not like it.

Pyro Bir gave himself that name....because hes closer to his GC brothers than he will ever be with TCs.

He never called himself Bir-K-... You call him like that to insult him.

[Viewpoint]

We lived seperately as we do today...look at the TCs from Lourigina they ended up being more GCs than TCs.

You did not answer my question. My question was about YOU personally and YOUR family How much you got assimilated while you were living in Limassol?

As for the TCs of Louroujina, even the last dog and cat in Cyprus knows that the TCs of Louroujina were Greeks who converted to mouslim. Ask any TC from Louroujina to confirm it. They never spoke Turkish for centuries.

I never said I lived in Limasol I said my mothers side comes from a TC village near Limasol and my Dad is from Nicosia. But we have family who lived in Limasol and Baf, they did not really mix with GCs only when they had to.

[miltiades]

You are full of bad air VP