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[zan]

Let me give you some more details:

The number of TRNC "citizens" are reportedly 133,937.
No information on how many of these are real TCs...

People with TRNC plus another citizenship reportedly 42,795.
I am confused as to who these people are...Perhaps people with foreign passports living in the TRNC???

People with both TRNC and Turkish citizenship reportedly 33,870

So given that de-jure population is supposedly 256,644 there are 46,042 people who are not TRNC citizens.Are these the settlers who have work permits? Or soldiers? or students?

Whichever way we look at it the number of real TCs are no more than 50% of the total population,by Ferdi Soyer's admission apparently...
So,Viewpoint...is there another state in the world where the noncitizens are equal to the citizens???

Give me the number of REAL Americans and I will tell you. Give me the number of REAL Australians or how about Macedonians or..............................

[BirKibrisli]

Let me give you some more details:

The number of TRNC "citizens" are reportedly 133,937.
No information on how many of these are real TCs...

People with TRNC plus another citizenship reportedly 42,795.
I am confused as to who these people are...Perhaps people with foreign passports living in the TRNC???

People with both TRNC and Turkish citizenship reportedly 33,870

So given that de-jure population is supposedly 256,644 there are 46,042 people who are not TRNC citizens.Are these the settlers who have work permits? Or soldiers? or students?

Whichever way we look at it the number of real TCs are no more than 50% of the total population,by Ferdi Soyer's admission apparently...
So,Viewpoint...is there another state in the world where the noncitizens are equal to the citizens???

Give me the number of REAL Americans and I will tell you. Give me the number of REAL Australians or how about Macedonians or..............................

But this is not the same thing,Zan...Stop playing dumb,I know you know better than that. The USA,Australia,England etc are unitary multicultural countries with a well established "host" culture and many others integrated into it. The TRNC is an isolated entity where the original citizens,the TCs are most likely outnumbered by another culture which shares the same language and religion.Given the agressive and dominant (politically,economically,socially and numerically)nature of the Turkish society,the TCs have less than zero chance of maintaining their identity.It is curtains for TCs in Cyprus. The question than arises: if we are going to live in mini-Turkey,why don't we just pack up and move there,and leave Greek Cypriots to get on with their lives in peace and
harmony in their own country... [/b]

[zan]

Let me give you some more details:

The number of TRNC "citizens" are reportedly 133,937.
No information on how many of these are real TCs...

People with TRNC plus another citizenship reportedly 42,795.
I am confused as to who these people are...Perhaps people with foreign passports living in the TRNC???

People with both TRNC and Turkish citizenship reportedly 33,870

So given that de-jure population is supposedly 256,644 there are 46,042 people who are not TRNC citizens.Are these the settlers who have work permits? Or soldiers? or students?

Whichever way we look at it the number of real TCs are no more than 50% of the total population,by Ferdi Soyer's admission apparently...
So,Viewpoint...is there another state in the world where the noncitizens are equal to the citizens???

Give me the number of REAL Americans and I will tell you. Give me the number of REAL Australians or how about Macedonians or..............................

But this is not the same thing,Zan...Stop playing dumb,I know you know better than that. The USA,Australia,England etc are unitary multicultural countries with a well established "host" culture and many others integrated into it. The TRNC is an isolated entity where the original citizens,the TCs are most likely outnumbered by another culture which shares the same language and religion.Given the agressive and dominant (politically,economically,socially and numerically)nature of the Turkish society,the TCs have less than zero chance of maintaining their identity.It is curtains for TCs in Cyprus. The question than arises: if we are going to live in mini-Turkey,why don't we just pack up and move there,and leave Greek Cypriots to get on with their lives in peace and
harmony in their own country... [/b]

Because we are Turkish Cypriots and with your help we can save the Turkish Cypriots within the TRNC/KKTC. Move back and give them the example they need on how to be a TC. Ride donkeys, wear baggy trousers, forget education for your children, farm and be subservient to the better educated GCs that can fill all the government posts because they can do a better job of it. You can even howl at he moon if you like.



Don't be so negative. You can make a difference in the KKTC. We need your vote.

[BirKibrisli]

Because we are Turkish Cypriots and with your help we can save the Turkish Cypriots within the TRNC/KKTC. Move back and give them the example they need on how to be a TC. Ride donkeys, wear baggy trousers, forget education for your children, farm and be subservient to the better educated GCs that can fill all the government posts because they can do a better job of it. You can even howl at he moon if you like.



Don't be so negative. You can make a difference in the KKTC. We need your vote.

I don't know why you insist on going from silly to ridiculous.I know as well as you that the time for riding donkeys is over. I did used to ride them bareback,and I was very good at it like most Cypriots. I am the one who has moved on.I now ride a Volvo,and I have come to the realisation that I am a Cypriot before I am a Turk,and I am a human being before I am a Cypriot. You guys are stuck in 1964,mentally and emotionally,and your time in the so-called civilised West,in the cradle of western democracy has not done any of you any good.As we say in Cyprus: okundurdum yazindirdim,bala gudalya bala gudalya... Go figure that one.

[shahmaran]

i still dont understand how it is possible to separate my Cypriotness from my Turkishness, how do you do it?

maybe i would have to live abroad my whole life?

[zan]

Because we are Turkish Cypriots and with your help we can save the Turkish Cypriots within the TRNC/KKTC. Move back and give them the example they need on how to be a TC. Ride donkeys, wear baggy trousers, forget education for your children, farm and be subservient to the better educated GCs that can fill all the government posts because they can do a better job of it. You can even howl at he moon if you like.



Don't be so negative. You can make a difference in the KKTC. We need your vote.

I don't know why you insist on going from silly to ridiculous.I know as well as you that the time for riding donkeys is over. I did used to ride them bareback,and I was very good at it like most Cypriots. I am the one who has moved on.I now ride a Volvo,and I have come to the realisation that I am a Cypriot before I am a Turk,and I am a human being before I am a Cypriot. You guys are stuck in 1964,mentally and emotionally,and your time in the so-called civilised West,in the cradle of western democracy has not done any of you any good.As we say in Cyprus: okundurdum yazindirdim,bala gudalya bala gudalya... Go figure that one.

No Bir we are living in the here and now and why we keep referring to the 1960s is because all the GC propaganda says it was all our own doing. If you want to take the blame for something you did not do then I truly feel sorry for you. What we are now saying is if you want to forget that period then forget all of the periods and see where we are today. We are living apart and better off for it. We do not want to go back to any time in the past and for the good of all the island we need to move from today not go back 32 years to 1974 or to 1960. Going back to any period is not going to solve anything and it will in fact make things worse. Your nagging need for a united Cyprus is your only goal and commendable though it may seem is the wrong option.

[BirKibrisli]

i still dont understand how it is possible to separate my Cypriotness from my Turkishness, how do you do it?

maybe i would have to live abroad my whole life?

I'll tell you how you put your Cypriotness first,Shah.

You see Cyprus as your motherland. It has given you birth,it is your mother (unless of course you were born in Turkey). Your first aliegance is to Cyprus. You always thing of what is best for Cyprus and all Cypriots.

You don't see GCs as your enemy. They are your flesh and blood.You share their genes.You are one people,one nation. You want to live with them,not side by side but together.

You won't be afraid that you will be assimilated into the GC culture.You know you already have been largely assimilated for the simple reason of living with them for hundreds of years.And in the same way they have been largely assimilated into the TC culture. You know you are more like the GCs in all cultural aspects,expect language and religion.And you know that because you speak a different language primarily (because a lot of words and concepts are the same-some originating from Turkish and some from Greek) and believe in a different religion,you will always maintain some degree of Turkishness and uniqueness. Your language and religion are your guarantees that you will never fully assimilate into the GC society,so there is no need to worry.

What do you think so far? Shall I go on or am I flogging a dead horse as far as you are concerned???

[Pyrpolizer]

No Bir we are living in the here and now and why we keep referring to the 1960s is because all the GC propaganda says it was all our own doing. If you want to take the blame for something you did not do then I truly feel sorry for you. What we are now saying is if you want to forget that period then forget all of the periods and see where we are today. We are living apart and better off for it. We do not want to go back to any time in the past and for the good of all the island we need to move from today not go back 32 years to 1974 or to 1960. Going back to any period is not going to solve anything and it will in fact make things worse. Your nagging need for a united Cyprus is your only goal and commendable though it may seem is the wrong option.

I don’t know what Gc propaganda you are referring to, but I have no doubts as to what sort of propaganda you refer to brainwash youself.

If you take the average GC and TC man who paid the price during the past periods out of the equation, you will clearly see 2 objectives in Cyprus. On one hand the objective towards Enosis and on the other hand the objrective towards taksim. Both objectives resulted to the suffering of the TC people in the 60s, their packing up of almost half of them into enclaves under terrible conditions, and the rest into ghettos all over Cyprus. While the Enosis objective was abandoned after 1974, the objective of Taksim resulted to the ethnic cleansing of 180,000 GCs the death of 6000 and the rest of what we know from 1974 until today, but also the continuing isolation of TCs to their own illegal administration.

The time when you will be able to understand these realities, will be the time of your salvation. Certainly there is no way going back to the same conditions, but on the other hand there is no way to acknowledge, legalise and finalise the objective of taksim just because you are stuck on it, and you think that would solve the Cyprus problem.

[zan]

No Bir we are living in the here and now and why we keep referring to the 1960s is because all the GC propaganda says it was all our own doing. If you want to take the blame for something you did not do then I truly feel sorry for you. What we are now saying is if you want to forget that period then forget all of the periods and see where we are today. We are living apart and better off for it. We do not want to go back to any time in the past and for the good of all the island we need to move from today not go back 32 years to 1974 or to 1960. Going back to any period is not going to solve anything and it will in fact make things worse. Your nagging need for a united Cyprus is your only goal and commendable though it may seem is the wrong option.

I don’t know what Gc propaganda you are referring to, but I have no doubts as to what sort of propaganda you refer to brainwash youself.

If you take the average GC and TC man who paid the price during the past periods out of the equation, you will clearly see 2 objectives in Cyprus. On one hand the objective towards Enosis and on the other hand the objrective towards taksim. Both objectives resulted to the suffering of the TC people in the 60s, their packing up of almost half of them into enclaves under terrible conditions, and the rest into ghettos all over Cyprus. While the Enosis objective was abandoned after 1974, the objective of Taksim resulted to the ethnic cleansing of 180,000 GCs the death of 6000 and the rest of what we know from 1974 until today, but also the continuing isolation of TCs to their own illegal administration.

The time when you will be able to understand these realities, will be the time of your salvation. Certainly there is no way going back to the same conditions, but on the other hand there is no way to acknowledge, legalise and finalise the objective of taksim just because you are stuck on it, and you think that would solve the Cyprus problem.

Now thats the propaganda I was talking about......Thanks Pyro.

[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks for proving your brainwashing background