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[Pete_D]

Strange to think that, if it wasn't for a few "hanging chads" in a florida election count, the whole world as we know it could've all been completely different....

[humanist]

Kikapu, I totally agree with your post. I live in Australia and some Australian's are of the view that as a migrant here I ought to support all of the political decisions and question none because I ought to be grateful. Well as an Australian I will not sit back and watch the current government sending troops off to Iraq and question it because I ought to be grateful.

As far as miltiades' comments, go don't forget that it is America and its interests that handed Cyprus over to the turks and to that end she should take cypriot refugees as she should now take Iraqi refugees, have you stoped from your middle class American window and look outside how many orphans this war has left? As far as am concerned there is no place for you to be Miltiades than where you are, because I see you have inherited the same values as your great leader you deserve to live in the greatest nation on earth with the greatest president in America history. if it wasn't so early in the morning I would have pulled the beer out the fridge and in good old ausie style say "up your bum mate, ave a noice one"

[pantheman]

Kikapu, I totally agree with your post. I live in Australia and some Australian's are of the view that as a migrant here I ought to support all of the political decisions and question none because I ought to be grateful. Well as an Australian I will not sit back and watch the current government sending troops off to Iraq and question it because I ought to be grateful.

As far as miltiades' comments, go don't forget that it is America and its interests that handed Cyprus over to the turks and to that end she should take cypriot refugees as she should now take Iraqi refugees, have you stoped from your middle class American window and look outside how many orphans this war has left? As far as am concerned there is no place for you to be Miltiades than where you are, because I see you have inherited the same values as your great leader you deserve to live in the greatest nation on earth with the greatest president in America history. if it wasn't so early in the morning I would have pulled the beer out the fridge and in good old ausie style say "up your bum mate, ave a noice one"

Well said humanist, i second that.

[Eliko]

miltiades, you seem to have taken umbrage to the fact that I have described America as a 'decadent' society.

I wonder if you have taken the time to consider what the word means?, assuming you have not, may I present you with a fair interpretation of 'decadence'?.

Applied to a society in the manner I used it would indicate that THAT society's general standard of behaviour is of a lower standard (especially in a moral sense) than it was previously.

You have vigorously defended your corner in all arguments relating to the subject of America, I would like you to justify your admiration for your passionate loyalty, bearing in mind that 'decadent' seems to be admirably fitting.

Or would you suggest that the standard of morality exhibited by that nation is a suitable example to be exported and forced upon others?.

A sensible response now Sir, no ranting and raving, no tilting at windmills, no insults, and please do re-read my last post to you, it seems you missed the delicate sarcasm in it possibly because, as is your usual habit, you did respond too quickly without giving the content due consideration.

[miltiades]

ELIKO WROTE:

"""""miltiades, you seem to have taken umbrage to the fact that I have described America as a 'decadent' society.

I wonder if you have taken the time to consider what the word means?, assuming you have not, may I present you with a fair interpretation of 'decadence'?.

Applied to a society in the manner I used it would indicate that THAT society's general standard of behaviour is of a lower standard (especially in a moral sense) than it was previously """""

And here is poor Miltiades thinking that "decadence " meant decay , corruption , degradation , EVIL -VICIOUS -VULGAR , and of course perversion .
Your inclusion of this paragraph "return to their country of decadence " epitomises the likes of you , and there are many such DAMAGING attitudes in Cyprus who tent to also forget that it is the USA who is today the only power that applies the brakes when it comes to recognising the "TRNC" In the States there are thousands of Cypriots fighting their corner and that of yours and mine and when faced with such blatant hostility against America generated by the very people they are fighting for its very disheartening.
Humanist , again points to the AMERICANIKO DACTYLO " American finger , the evil that we can blame for the stupidity of our own people in blindly preparing the right circumstances allowing Turkey to invade our island. Oh yes much more comforting to blame America , forget the Greek junta , the crazes up Cypriot nationalists the flag wavers the parasites clinging on to the catastrophic ideology of motherland absorption of our Inland.
We are seeing today horrific mistakes by our own RoC government who blindly think that the T/Cs will succumb to their economic isolation and will demand the dismantling of their state , illegal as it is , but their own state . Where is the government department to actively engage with our T/C brothers in a dialogue in order to proceed to a solution. Where is government action to encourage T/Cs and convince them that they are 100% our equals in Cyprus , we maintain the majority - minority , we are 82% they are 18% , have you ever heard any government minister dismissing such figures and telling us all that we all are the majority , we all are Cypriots , not majorities and minorities. It is not enough just maintaining the Turkish writing on our currency , we have to promote our Cypriotness by ensuring that the future generations do not have to cling on to Greece or Turkey , the two nations that are the bear all responsibility for our problem.
Tell me now the Americans are to blame .

[humanist]

so do you think the US needs to intervene to solve the problem miltiades? or its not a matter of asking but a case of the US will do what it will do.

i am choosing not to get into a heated discussion , thank you

[miltiades]

Humanist wrote:
""""so do you think the US needs to intervene to solve the problem miltiades? or its not a matter of asking but a case of the US will do what it will do""""

The USA Humanist has already intervened by not recognising the "TRNC " and by steadfastly refusing to give in to Turkish pressure to do so. Our own government , the RoC has to consider the implications of being seen to be doing absolutely nothing to re start negotiations.

[Eliko]

miltiades, you cannot change the meaning of a word to suit your own purpose, by adding 'EVIL' and 'VICIOUS' to your own interpretation of the word, you merely highlight the fact that you are not prepared to entertain anything contradictory to your opinions.
Since you have attempted to discredit my use of such a word, let us consider the one's you have added.
Do you not concede that attacking defenceless civilians by high altitude bombardment is a 'VICIOUS' act?.
Would not such an action, if proven to be an offence against humanity be worthy of the title 'EVIL' ?.
Does not the general immoral behaviour of your saviour nation, deserve to be described as 'VULGAR' ?.

Whatever you sought to gain by your distortion, may I help you a little in your further assessment of my person
by confirming that, In my opinion, those descriptions are equally valid when applied to the American culture.

[zan]

miltiades, you cannot change the meaning of a word to suit your own purpose, by adding 'EVIL' and 'VICIOUS' to your own interpretation of the word, you merely highlight the fact that you are not prepared to entertain anything contradictory to your opinions.
Since you have attempted to discredit my use of such a word, let us consider the one's you have added.
Do you not concede that attacking defenceless civilians by high altitude bombardment is a 'VICIOUS' act?.
Would not such an action, if proven to be an offence against humanity be worthy of the title 'EVIL' ?.
Does not the general immoral behaviour of your saviour nation, deserve to be described as 'VULGAR' ?.

Whatever you sought to gain by your distortion, may I help you a little in your further assessment of my person
by confirming that, In my opinion, those descriptions are equally valid when applied to the American culture.

Eliko

If you wake up one morning and find a horses head in your bed wrapped in a US flag don't say I did not warn you. They can always make you an offer you can't refuse......

[Eliko]

I think there is a greater danger of finding a 'Hot Dog' if miltiades has anything to do with it, don't mind the idea too much as long as there are plenty of onions!.