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What is a Refugee and how do you qualify?

Postby paaul12 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:47 pm

Does anyone living in Greek Cyprus know what a refugee is and how you could increase the number of refugees in your country?

For example: Make a new law, do you know how stupid that sounds?

I wonder if all these “new” young refugees actually qualify under the 1951 UN Convention as refugees, don’t you think that by passing these ridiculous laws it only goes too make you look so stupid in the eyes of the international community, I hear you say what’s new there, I guess you have a point!



VERY SAD to report that the future of our once thriving refugee industry is under serious threat as the production process has hit legal problems which are set to cause a big decline in the output of younger generation refugees. And if this happens, who will keep alive the burning desire for return to the land of our grandfathers and grandmothers?
Aware of the problem, refugee deputies have decided to change the legal requirements for hereditary refugee status. Until now only the referee father could pass on referee status to his kids. A refugee mother married to a non-refugee could not do so, which many deputies consider grossly discriminatory against women and are trying to change the law.

If the law is passed it would create, overnight, an extra 40,000 refugees, raising the number of refugees, according to government calculations, from 34 per cent to 42 per cent of the population. We would be the first country in the history of the world which would have a steady growth in the number of refugees, without anyone being forced to leave their home for more than 30 years.

This is what happens when refugee status become a hereditary right. And if women are allowed to pass on this status to their kids, the government estimates there would come a day when 80 per cent of our population would be refugees.

This would pose a problem for our government an official source told Politis, as there would be a “danger that our refugee figures would not be credible to other governments and international organisations”.

THE GOVERNMENT’S real concern is not so much about its refugee propaganda (nobody believes our numbers anyway and the whole world knows that we are talking about luxury refugees, with two cars and a holiday home, not the dispossessed type who live in shacks). Its big concern is having another 40,000 freeloaders, demanding government subsidised housing loans, cash handouts and other state benefits.

As a compromise, the Ethnarch has proposed to give refugee status to the children of refugee mothers but they would not be entitled to any of the state benefits. The question then would be, why would anyone want to have refugee status if they can’t enjoy the state handouts? Does a refugee ID give you street cred?

DIKO has come with a bill aimed at overcoming the problem. This envisages that children of refugees (mother or father) would be regarded refugees until they are 18. Once the child reaches 18, he will have the right to decide if he or she wants to have refugee status. Being a refugee will become a lifestyle choice. And those who choose to be a referee should be given a free diplokambino by the state


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Postby humanist » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:50 pm

Paul I believe Turkey and some Turkish Cypriots are about to show us how to create more refugees ... they call it war.
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Postby zan » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:30 pm

humanist wrote:Paul I believe Turkey and some Turkish Cypriots are about to show us how to create more refugees ... they call it war.



It takes two sides to create a war Humanist and this one is just a rumour anyway so calm down.####

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cna/2007 ... na.html#02

[04] SPOKESMAN - WARSHIPS
Cypriot Government Spokesman Christodoulos Pashiardis said in a written statement on Thursday that Turkish media reports about Turkish warships in the sea area north of Cyprus were ``inaccurate.``
``What happened is that a Turkish corvette, coming from the area of Rhodes, moved yesterday along the southern coast of Cyprus, outside the territorial waters of the Republic of Cyprus, and has already sailed to the base in Mersin,`` Pashiardis added.
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Postby humanist » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:50 am

Zan this is the story of a 6 and 2 month year old boy in 1974.

Mum and dad crying...... the little boy says why are you crying "mama"? becuase there is a war and all the men have to go and your dad has to go to war. But he will be ok becuase he will be with theo (uncle) Kypro, Christakis, Andreas and Yioryos. But don't worry yiayia (grandmother) is going to stay with us and keep us company.

Dad heads off to war ... a few day later the little boy and his mother and grandmother go to church. After church there was a whole lot of new women and children whom he never met before and people were crying. The little boy says "mama" who are all these people and why are they crying? She says, they are refugees and they've come here until the war is over. What's a refugee "mama"? Well they are people who had to leave their homes because the Turks have taken their homes. How come we don't have refugees staying with us. Well because they don't know we have room and that's good also becasue it means there's less refugees who lost their homes.

The next morning the little boy wakes up in his mother's bed with his 2 year old brother and grandmother and his 20 year old aunt in a fold up bed in the room. The little boy is told that God has answered his wish and refugees were sleeping in his room and lots of them in the floor in the loung/ dining room. At getting out of bed there were 27 people in the house ranging from 70 years of age to 2 years of age.

Filled with excitment that his family was helping less fortunate people he was kind a happy in an innocent kind of a way. He shared his toys with other children and took his little brother under his wing as he was the oldest in the family, till "papa" would return. Weeks went by and the refugees were still there, as things intensified food run out and one day he was asked by his mother and aunt to go to "thea" (aunt) Sophia's home with his cousin and his sister to bring back some haloumi. We walked about 200 meters to their home to get the haloumi. As the three little children were about to walk out the front door a Turksih bomber went past, with a thunderous noise. They all freked out so bad that their mother's could hear their screams and they come to pick them up. Tat event went by and back to normality as normal as a war could be.

In the meantime one of the refugees in his home, found out that her son all of 18-20 years was killed, ther was mayhem, as she took off to go to her village that she could see was being bombed and fire was coming from evry direction. The little boys home was situated on the outskirts of the village on a hil and the villages from the north could be sseen clearly as could the bombers droping their bombs.

Soon after that his mother approached him and said to him yiayia Kyriakou will look after you for a little because mama and yiayia Eleni will go look for your papa because we don't know where he is. traumatised and scared the little boy had no choice but to trust that all will be well. After a few days mama and yiayia return with good news that papa and theo Kypro are well and they are fighting the Turks. Not long after that an yiayia's brother in this 60's comes to their home and talks to yiayia and mama in private and then all hell broke loose. Yiayia was informeed that her 17.5 year old son was injured and his whereabouts were not known, cries everywhere. Not only did we have a refugee who lost their son but we also now have yiayia lossing her son and mama her brother.

Hopes that the information was wrong came in as they tried to comfort yiayia, tho his relationship with his yiayia was so strong that one day she took him for a walk and told him that she knew theo Kypro was dead and that his papou (grandfather) who died a year earlier was going to be waiting for him in heaven.

The war was over and the men came back, the refugee women's husbands also found their way to the little boys home. A month or two later one of the refugee women gave birth to a beautiful little girl, joy was brought bach to the house. The refugees were feeling that they were in the way and considered leaving, but where to go their homes and properties were under turkish control. mama and papa offered them to use the one side of the house to build some rooms to get by. So they all got together and within three moths 14 people were living in a 3 rooms on the side of the house, sharing an indoor bathroom in the main house and an outdoor danny made of a hole in the ground and a timber box constructed around, that was the life of all these people for over a year.

years went by and the fate of theo kypro was unknown, stories that POW's were taken to turkey were becoming popular, so the little boy hoped that this uncle was taken to turkey, made to speak turkish and one day he met a young Turkish woman and got married. Nice thought but very far from the truth. Some more years went by and the little boys parents decided to immigrate because they did not want their children to have to go through a similar expreienece. So they leave Cyprus.

Years went on and yiayia dies at age 74, with a broken heart knowing that her son is dead and her daughter is living thousands of kilometeres away. They little boy now a man attending University was crushed knowing that his yiayia died broken hearted. A few years later his kother is invited to go to Cyprus because thrugh DNA testing they located theo Kypro's bones and sate burial was carried out. An end to a saga.

Australia Day 2007 January 24. This grown man now 38 is enjoying a bush walk along the most beautiful Sydeny harbour, then a military show of the airforce, a bomber goes by, he gets excited at the sound and speed of this machinery. Then it goes over again and again and again, by the 5th time the fear of what that machinery represents came back, then as an adult he questions what is all that about? That is what the children of Iraq are experiencing everyday and memeories just crept back.


That is my story in a nutshell Zan, so when people start making threats of war or conflict as the turks want to term it it concerns me. That is my life and the life of many other innocent people so please don't tell me, that war has benefits, if these are the benefits of war then I do not wish for them at all.
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:11 am

thanks for sharing this this story humanist
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Postby humanist » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:45 am

thank you for your acknowledgement. I hope that those peaople who live overseas and may be or may not be of a Greek Speaking Cypriot background learn something about the impact that war has on individuals, families and societies.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:32 am

Thank for being so honest humanist not easy to reveal such detail on the net to strangers.

Who do you blame for your horrendous experience, the people who played with the bomb or the bomb for exploding?

and do you think your children should also be labelled refugees?
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Postby humanist » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:47 am

Thanks VP


My firend, its not about blame, its about ashame. It is ashame that life is destroyed in a very brutal manner and for what? I know the reasons...... I have heard them many times before. Young people from both sides have been lost, the Cypriots are kept apart based on nothing racial discrimination on both sides. Perpetrated onto them by a larger system, whatever that system is.

do I consider my children as refugees? I do not have children VP, but assuming that I had. I would present this point of view. on a broader level yes they are refugees, they are denied their ancestral lands (i refer here land, house block) and certainly and unquestionably access to their ancestral lands. As I narrow it down then I would point out that if they were born in the north prior to 74, yes they are refugees, if I narrow it down again children born in the south after 74 no they are not, but then you have the little girl who was born a moth or two after the war in a foreing house in a foreign village, what is she now? I come back to the broader level of my definition and I argu that perhaps ethics and legalities are not always the one. Just because something legal , it does not always mean that it is ethical and ethics are individual beliefs , that would in general be similra as they cannot be the same as we are differnet each and everyone of us.

Then there is the notion of freedom and to this end they do not have full freedom in their own country as the equal freedom shared by their Turksih Speaking Cypriot peers who are free to currently live anywhere in their homecountry Cyprus. Yes GSCyp's are ablt to live anywhere in the south they choose and to this end they have more freedom of choice and thus freedom to live and to be a Cypriot sharing all Cyprus and resources.
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Postby zan » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:53 am

Thanks from me also Humanist but I am confused as to when I said that war has benefitted any one????????????
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Postby humanist » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:55 am

Hey first thanks for the acknowledgement. Man doesn't this go to show you we are more similar than we think? Here we are feeling each others pain yet we do not see.


I was a bit annoyed byt he coment calm down. .... I was more disappointed that noe of the TSCyp's on this forum didn't say hey you know that is not o Turkey settle down girl.
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