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[zan]

Thanks VP


My firend, its not about blame, its about ashame. It is ashame that life is destroyed in a very brutal manner and for what? I know the reasons...... I have heard them many times before. Young people from both sides have been lost, the Cypriots are kept apart based on nothing racial discrimination on both sides. Perpetrated onto them by a larger system, whatever that system is.

do I consider my children as refugees? I do not have children VP, but assuming that I had. I would present this point of view. on a broader level yes they are refugees, they are denied their ancestral lands (i refer here land, house block) and certainly and unquestionably access to their ancestral lands. As I narrow it down then I would point out that if they were born in the north prior to 74, yes they are refugees, if I narrow it down again children born in the south after 74 no they are not, but then you have the little girl who was born a moth or two after the war in a foreing house in a foreign village, what is she now? I come back to the broader level of my definition and I argu that perhaps ethics and legalities are not always the one. Just because something legal , it does not always mean that it is ethical and ethics are individual beliefs , that would in general be similra as they cannot be the same as we are differnet each and everyone of us.

Then there is the notion of freedom and to this end they do not have full freedom in their own country as the equal freedom shared by their Turksih Speaking Cypriot peers who are free to currently live anywhere in their homecountry Cyprus. Yes GSCyp's are ablt to live anywhere in the south they choose and to this end they have more freedom of choice and thus freedom to live and to be a Cypriot sharing all Cyprus and resources.

There is not much there to argue against except for the refugee status. Technically yes there are refugees but only if they chose to label themselves as such. I too am a refugee from 1964-65. My dad felt that we had to leave a war torn country for our safety. My father’s land is in the buffer zone but I chose not to call myself a refugee because it is time to move on. I cannot return to my dads’ land and there are five other siblings that can't either but my three sisters, two of which are already there have started again and have become Turkish Cypriots again. What right has any one got to uproot them once again? They are not on GC property but will not be happy living in a GC dominated area. What is the answer for them? There can be no n more upheaval and the new generation must not be encouraged to claim refugee status. My family and I give up our ancestral home to that cause.

[pitsilos]

zan if there was a solution and the buffer zone disapeared, wouldn't you then claim your land?

i mean what would be stopping you from claiming?

[Viewpoint]

Thanks VP


My firend, its not about blame, its about ashame. It is ashame that life is destroyed in a very brutal manner and for what? I know the reasons...... I have heard them many times before. Young people from both sides have been lost, the Cypriots are kept apart based on nothing racial discrimination on both sides. Perpetrated onto them by a larger system, whatever that system is.

do I consider my children as refugees? I do not have children VP, but assuming that I had. I would present this point of view. on a broader level yes they are refugees, they are denied their ancestral lands (i refer here land, house block) and certainly and unquestionably access to their ancestral lands. As I narrow it down then I would point out that if they were born in the north prior to 74, yes they are refugees, if I narrow it down again children born in the south after 74 no they are not, but then you have the little girl who was born a moth or two after the war in a foreing house in a foreign village, what is she now? I come back to the broader level of my definition and I argu that perhaps ethics and legalities are not always the one. Just because something legal , it does not always mean that it is ethical and ethics are individual beliefs , that would in general be similra as they cannot be the same as we are differnet each and everyone of us.

Then there is the notion of freedom and to this end they do not have full freedom in their own country as the equal freedom shared by their Turksih Speaking Cypriot peers who are free to currently live anywhere in their homecountry Cyprus. Yes GSCyp's are ablt to live anywhere in the south they choose and to this end they have more freedom of choice and thus freedom to live and to be a Cypriot sharing all Cyprus and resources.

I just feel you have to draw the line somewhere and second third fourth fifth generation where does it end? everyone will end up a refugee. I think the figures are manipulated to serve the cause of the "RoC" and inflate the figure to influence worldwide support.

[zan]

zan if there was a solution and the buffer zone disapeared, wouldn't you then claim your land?

i mean what would be stopping you from claiming?

I think you missed the point. Of course I would claim my land in that case but what I was saying is that I will not cry for that land because getting it back will mean more heartache for everyone.

[pitsilos]

yes you do not cry now because you know when there is a solution you will get it back and no one sold it from under your feet.

but try and put your feet in all those people that had their land sold from under their feet.

[Viewpoint]

yes you do not cry now because you know when there is a solution you will get it back and no one sold it from under your feet.

but try and put your feet in all those people that had their land sold from under their feet.

Shouldn't those people be directing their anger at their own representatives for not doing enough to stop these sales, like talking to our leaders?

[pitsilos]

shouldn't the thieves stop profitering?

for a so called government that made a platform on unification, you sure as hell have a weird way of showing it.

[zan]

yes you do not cry now because you know when there is a solution you will get it back and no one sold it from under your feet.

but try and put your feet in all those people that had their land sold from under their feet.

Nothing to do with it Pitsilos. We have just said goodbye to it and that is that. My dad did not even try to get replacement land for it.

[pitsilos]

you misssed the point zan. as you said when a solution is found you will claim it.

in other words it will always be yours, no matter what.

but can we say the same to all the people that not only can't go to their houses, but the houses have been sold.

i guess it wouldn't be painful if tcs lived in them, but sold to foreigners?

you can see how this action brings resentment don' you?

[humanist]

well witha cheeky smile on my face i say this, your sisters can stay if that is the case but as in life you cannot have your cake and eat it.... they stay where they are and allow the Greek Speaking Cypriots to live where they weant too. may be they need to stop seeing themeselves as Turkish speaking Cypriots living among Greek Speaking Cyprios but rather people living with people.