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[Pyrpolizer]

you the ultranationalist getting that low to be chatting on the internet with TCs?

I don't know how to interpret the above. Please elaborate. Welcome to the forum Askinwos.

He means the ultranationalists don't even accept to talk with Tcs.

This proves that Piratis or Kifeas is not what he said but anyway...

[zan]

[04] SPOKESMAN - WARSHIPS
Cypriot Government Spokesman Christodoulos Pashiardis said in a written statement on Thursday that Turkish media reports about Turkish warships in the sea area north of Cyprus were ``inaccurate.``
``What happened is that a Turkish corvette, coming from the area of Rhodes, moved yesterday along the southern coast of Cyprus, outside the territorial waters of the Republic of Cyprus, and has already sailed to the base in Mersin,`` Pashiardis added.


http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cna/2007 ... na.html#02

[askimwos]

you the ultranationalist getting that low to be chatting on the internet with TCs?

I don't know how to interpret the above. Please elaborate. Welcome to the forum Askinwos.

He means the ultranationalists don't even accept to talk with Tcs.

This proves that Piratis or Kifeas is not what he said but anyway...

You are right as far as to what I meant - this was in a sarcastic way. I stand by my comment about these two guys being ultranationalists ...their post are there for all to judge.

[Jerry]

That's the problem with these sites Askimwos, they are dominated by aggresive little people from both sides who just hurl abuse and insults at each other. Its a mentality that goes right to the top, that's why the Cyprus Problem is, in my opinion, unslovable. With attitudes like these partition, unfortunately, is inevitable. It's simply a question now of how much territory the GCs gain regain using EU membership and oil wealth as levers.

[zan]

Well there you have it people, Jerry has solved the problem without the need to talk. Well done Jerry.


askimwos


You asked the reason for this forum. There is a scientific purpose for this forum and it was set up by a very prevelant GC whose name I can't remember but have read somewhere. It is to be used as we are actually using it and to argue and shout and vent all our ideas at one another. There are a few people that post here that know the exact name for this proccess but I am not one of them. Perhaps they will help.

[askimwos]

For the sake of discussion then let me ask a question to all of you guys that argue all the time.

How many of you GCs really met a TCs,. went out for a coffee, for lunch, fishing etc you name it...The same question applies to TCs...how many of you got to know a GC?

The reason I am asking is because any solution to become a solution has to come from the base. A solution is not something written and signe on a piece of paper, its an ongoing process which takes years to be become a way of life. Please don't take this lecturing or patronising, it is not meant like this.

There has been a lot of hatret and bitterness that has been caltivated all these years from all sort of nationalist circles from both communities... be it schools, religion etc. I am really not surprised by attitudes like the ones shown from piratis, kifeas and from some TCs.

There have been massacres in the past and mistakes that these same nationalistic circles have committed, but unless GCs meet TCs and see that they are not the blood thirsty creatures that they were lead to believe they are and unless TCs do the same, there is no way forward. To understand each other's sensitivities you have to put yourself in his/hers shoes and I am afraid this is not done in a large scale.

Some talk about partition, have these people though what this means? Doesn't these effectively mean double enosis in the sense that we tie each half to each of the two "motherlands". How many of you GCs would like to become a district of Greece, pay taxes and be governed by Athens, do you really want to depend on Athens just to build a road or a dam? How many of you TCs want the north part of Cyprus to become a district of Turkey pay taxes to and depend on Ankara to give you funding to even build an electricity factory.
This goes to say that independence and a unified Cyprus is in the interest of both communities - we have more in common than with the so called motherlands.

[fanourıo]

Food for thought, logic test:
You have a fish bowl, this means you have a fish and it also means you like the sea. Since you love the sea you love going there which means that you stare at bikinis which means you love women which in turn means that you are not gay!
Logical? I guess so...... So, lets start the next one: There is OIL all around Cyprus, this means the politicians are going to deal with it, which means our neighbouring countries will benefit, and so will our politicians that will get their commissions and their black money, which means our politicians will be richer which means they will get greedy which means not only they will not give us anything but they will tax us for the drilling expenses and for the weapons they will have to buy to safeguard their own interests which means all of us will have to join the army again which means we will all be soldiers which means that we will all be POOR! Logical? Who gives a fuck?

[zan]

Food for thought, logic test:
You have a fish bowl, this means you have a fish and it also means you like the sea. Since you love the sea you love going there which means that you stare at bikinis which means you love women which in turn means that you are not gay!
Logical? I guess so...... So, lets start the next one: There is OIL all around Cyprus, this means the politicians are going to deal with it, which means our neighbouring countries will benefit, and so will our politicians that will get their commissions and their black money, which means our politicians will be richer which means they will get greedy which means not only they will not give us anything but they will tax us for the drilling expenses and for the weapons they will have to buy to safeguard their own interests which means all of us will have to join the army again which means we will all be soldiers which means that we will all be POOR! Logical? Who gives a fuck?

My type of logic that I expressed a couple of days ago.....

[fanourıo]

remind me zan, I am a Greek Cypriot I forget! (By the way I live in the NORTH where I work as well)

[zan]

askimwos


May I make a suggestion that you go back and read some of those arguments because in all of them, somewhere there is everything you have asked. The alternative is to sit back and watch because it will all repeat it self over again. You can even join in and get frustrated as hell but you will also make a few friends.


As for GCs and TCs meeting, many have met and I myself have spent all my teenage years with TCs going out and about as friends. This does not change what is going on at ground level or at government level either. The problem itself is an entity that has evolved but with personal feelings getting in the way, not yet solved.