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[zan]

Maybe they are.

02] British company invites Turkish Cypriot real estate companies in fairs organized in London. Struggle to continue for recognition of TRNC
Turkish Cypriot daily KIBRIS newspaper (01.02.07) reports that Property International Plc has announced that Blendon Communication Company, which was prohibiting the participation of Turkish Cypriot real estate companies in fairs organized in London, made a step backwards and invited them in a fair after a three-year embargo.
The chairman of the company, Ali Safa noted that they succeeded a victory after a three-year struggle and added: We will experience the real happiness when the embargoes applied on the recognition of the TRNC are lifted and we will continue the struggle.

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/200 ... pr.html#01




So how about ,if you think we cannot achieve a level playing field, we at least get to a point where we can hold our own. Why are you in such a hurry to step in at the lowest level????

[bill cobbett]

Oh dear. Far too many members see this all as some kind of bargaining at a bazaar or kasbah. It goes in small steps along the lines of you've got something I want and if you give it to me then I'll give you something that you want and so on. It real terms it goes something like this; I'll agree you can use Tympou/Ercan if you give me back Varosha and so on. Members of the northern community will forgive me if I say that some of the bargaining chips have been got by the force of arms and don't have the value they seem to have.

In any event where are you going? What is the ultimate destination in these approaches? I suspect the goal is unclear. I would suggest you run the good risk of going up a blind alley, in the dark, on a foggy night and without headlights.

I would say again that the end product, the final destination is what is important and should be stated first and I for one would insist again that this must be based on the fundamental human rights that you will all be familiar with.

[zan]

bill

I am amused that you cannot make out what we want from the zillion or so posts that we have made but, ho hum!

[Pyrpolizer]

I tend to agree with Bill.
This level playing field can take many forms one of which is as he described.

The other form it can take is actually a complete solution. A 100% level playing field on all issues.
You have this, I have the same, you have the other I have the other.
Playing this game we will end up to partition at current borders which is not acceptable to the GCs. If we are going to end up to partition then the percentage cannot be more than 18%.

And like any other solution it involves all the known parameters.Property rights, settlers, security/Turkish army, etc etc etc.

[Pyrpolizer]

, this stalemate cannot continue forever when we are long gone the world may just accept the impasse and acknowledge the right of the north to be allowed into the ranks of the world.

Viewpoint it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Not only because you are a minority but also because the occupied is mostly GC property. If it were only the minority issue perhaps after a 100 years yes, adding the property issue it becomes never.

Waiting for this to happen is really a pity. You will continue suffering, the Gc refugees will continue suffering. LENA said before the TCs hold the key to the solution.

Demand your return to your 1960 rights damn it nobody can deny you that. Then negotiate the best deal, within a month you will be TC district of the United Republic of Cyprus, with full benefits and full responsibility of the State (mainly the GCs) for your wellfare, rehousing if necessary etc. You will have your own President who will also be vice president of UCR.
Leave the sentiments and pride aside forget about nationalism, you really hold the key.
Your leaders know it, in fact when they will run out of any other options this is what they will do. They are just holding you prisoners for some more years!
If I were a TC I would most propably want partition like you. But I believe I would be clever enough to see the real way out.

Mark my words the final solution will be as I described it above. It is a pity to waste more years from peoples lives for the obvious! It will still be a sort of BBF. All your fears and demands for security will be all there…. Need to say more? YOU hold the key.

[bill cobbett]

Absolutely P.

[Natty]

155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the "impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving other- wise.

A quote from The UN mediator Gala Plaza's report on Cyprus, 1965.

That's what I pin my hopes on, that one day, we will live in peace together again...something a UN Mediator who was stationed in Cyprus at the time of the troubles, believed was possible....

Peace.

So thats ok then just because a UN mediator says so?, great logic Batty

Thanks VP , yup just because a UN mediator said it, he was there, he witnessed many things...it's pretty obvious that as tensions relaxed most people just tried to get on with their lives, and that meant living together like they always had done...without problems, and hopefully that's going to happen again one day, that's all I'm saying..it's nice to have a bit of hope...


Peace!

[zan]

, this stalemate cannot continue forever when we are long gone the world may just accept the impasse and acknowledge the right of the north to be allowed into the ranks of the world.

Viewpoint it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Not only because you are a minority but also because the occupied is mostly GC property. If it were only the minority issue perhaps after a 100 years yes, adding the property issue it becomes never.

Waiting for this to happen is really a pity. You will continue suffering, the Gc refugees will continue suffering. LENA said before the TCs hold the key to the solution.

Demand your return to your 1960 rights damn it nobody can deny you that. Then negotiate the best deal, within a month you will be TC district of the United Republic of Cyprus, with full benefits and full responsibility of the State (mainly the GCs) for your wellfare, rehousing if necessary etc. You will have your own President who will also be vice president of UCR.
Leave the sentiments and pride aside forget about nationalism, you really hold the key.
Your leaders know it, in fact when they will run out of any other options this is what they will do. They are just holding you prisoners for some more years!
If I were a TC I would most propably want partition like you. But I believe I would be clever enough to see the real way out.

Mark my words the final solution will be as I described it above. It is a pity to waste more years from peoples lives for the obvious! It will still be a sort of BBF. All your fears and demands for security will be all there…. Need to say more? YOU hold the key.

Pyro
With all due respects there is more than one key and you hold one of them. Those terms you stated are not acceptable and therefore the key does not fit. The key you hold is for you to recognise us and get on with your lives because in a hundred years time the only people that do not recognise us will be you. There is a price to pay for every war and wehave paid in full with 11 years of isolation without a state and then 32 years with an unrecognised one....You hold the key.

[bill cobbett]

bill

I am amused that you cannot make out what we want from the zillion or so posts that we have made but, ho hum!

Zan forgive me for saying this. Who is doing the posting? Zan the tender, humane poet or Zan the nationalist?

[zan]

bill

I am amused that you cannot make out what we want from the zillion or so posts that we have made but, ho hum!

Zan forgive me for saying this. Who is doing the posting? Zan the tender, humane poet or Zan the nationalist?

I have many sides that add up to the whole man bill. Don't think that because I write a few poems that my head is in the clouds. The poems started as a practical and fun tool to teach my children their school lessons and they worked well. There is probably no one on this forum more practical than I am. That is why I am saying what I am saying. The practical choice and not a nationalistic or vindictive or romantic. I went through a romantic stage when I thought I would be able to solve the whole problem but that soon died a death. I tend to try to explain, react, over react, talk, learn, defend, accuse and have some fun at times too. Much like most on here.