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Postby Natty » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:43 am

Birkibrisli wrote:
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we never gave the world philosophers


Hey Miltiades, that's not exactly true, wasn't there that dude who set up some philosophy school in Athens back in the ancient day? Zeno I believe his name was...(My dad's a history nut.. :lol: )..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno_of_Citium

There he is! Yay, one philosopher...;)

Peace..:)


Okey,we have a philosopher in Zeno,and we have a Psychiatrist in Dr Vamik Volkan (a TC),and we have Dr Kypros Nicholaides,a noted gyneachologist...Come on people.there must be more notable Cypriots over times to discover..go for it. :)


Don't worry Birkibrisli, I'm on the case...;) :)
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:07 am

Natty wrote:
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we never gave the world philosophers


Hey Miltiades, that's not exactly true, wasn't there that dude who set up some philosophy school in Athens back in the ancient day? Zeno I believe his name was...(My dad's a history nut.. :lol: )..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno_of_Citium

There he is! Yay, one philosopher...;)

Peace..:)


Okey,we have a philosopher in Zeno,and we have a Psychiatrist in Dr Vamik Volkan (a TC),and we have Dr Kypros Nicholaides,a noted gyneachologist...Come on people.there must be more notable Cypriots over times to discover..go for it. :)


Don't worry Birkibrisli, I'm on the case...;) :)


Power to your mouse,dear Natty... :D
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:11 am

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Viewpoint wrote:In theory yes, but its a very unlikely scenerio...I met a GC lady who said she would rather kill her son than him marry a TC girl, so this line of thought is on both sides and very common, I to would be very disappointed if my children married a GC. So Talat is not alone in his thought.


But why,Viewpoint? Why would you be disappointed? If they were in love and they truly wanted to be with each other,why should you not bless them?I really don't think you are a racist person. And you have agreed in theory that interbreeding would end Cypro. So why would you object?

You don't believe that old "pure Turkish blood" stuff,do you?
You are aware that biologically we are more similar to the GCs than Turks?So what is the problem?


Being a Turkish Cypriot makes me proud and special, and the continuation of this community is really a duty that all TC should acknowledge and try to continue, luckily one of my children has married a TC and the others will follow. I just don't associate myself with anything Greek although I do not have anything against GC or Greeks I would feel just as disappointed if my children married a French man or Italian etc but at the end of the day its their choice.


Careful,Viewpoint...Or you will be accused of racism.
Lets dig a bit more.What exactly are you proud of when you say "Being a TC makes me proud and special"? Please try to be as honest and open as you can. What aspects of your Turkish Cypriotness do you want to maintain???


I don't really view it has being racists as I do not hate other nationalities the only part that disappoints me is that every time there is a mixed marriage another TCs ethnic line disappears and this is very sad as being Turkish Cypriot due to our numbers is very unique and should classed as an endangered species, encouraged and nurtured to ensure its existence forever.

You may say that you are being assimilated by Turks, and you may be right but as we originate from Turkey then they are closer to us in many ways....whats the other option assimilation into GCs who are Greeks in origin well I don't know about other people but I prefer to stick to my own original origins.

I love being a Turkish Cypriot, the weather, the smells, the flowers, the language, the laid back attitude and originality of the TRNC, the sense of belonging, our culture, watching my son folk dancing and many many other things make me feel special. Even with all its imperfections and being isolated from the world its home its where we feel safe and where we belong.

So when GCs run the "pseudo" state down its like water off a ducks back, I laugh it off as I am prepared to accept all the criticism for the sake of being a Turkish Cypriot living in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
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Postby zan » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:32 am

I like that VP. It is nice to know there are people like you back home. Wish I were there :cry:
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Postby LENA » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:33 am

Birkibrisli and Natty, I am sorry that I will interrupt your conversation but I would like to make a comment on the wedding subject.
Miltiades, do you really know whats going on in Cyprus? We have 2007. International marriage is not a taboo any more. Its a fact. And if you want to find out just search in the Internet...but to help you a little bit in 2004 we had...
-10931 marriages...

-3359 was religious ceremonies
-7572 was civil ceremonies...

From 7572... 1990 was between people who live in Cyprus and 187 between GC...

A wedding between GC and TC its a fact but its rare...as VP said he doesnt want his children to get married a GC. The same feeling that many GC parents have. I dont blame him.

To be honest I have 3 friends of mine that they are dating with TC but I dont think that they will move to the next level. Even now, they have problems with their families and friends too. They are not able to go to any Greek party or Turkish party etc.

But its shame to put our ego and our patriotism in frond of ours or our children's happiness
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:03 am

Viewpoint wrote:I love being a Turkish Cypriot, the weather, the smells, the flowers, the language, the laid back attitude and originality of the TRNC, the sense of belonging, our culture, watching my son folk dancing and many many other things make me feel special. Even with all its imperfections and being isolated from the world its home its where we feel safe and where we belong.



If, like me, you were born in Paphos,and the best years of your childhood were spend there,do you think you'd miss those particular smells and sounds of Cyprus? Or do you think you could easily susbtitute them with the sounds and smells of present day TRNC?

When you say"the language" do you mean Turkish or Cypriot Turkish?
Is there any part of your language that is particularly Cypriot?Do you still use words and phrases like 'Sakko' 'zibil' 'zeflemek' 'gotunun dumberekkasi'(sorry!)'napan be angoni' 'ma hacan da gacacan be''birak be o beytambali" etc...???

When you say "our culture" do you mean the Turkish culture or the Cypriot Turkish culture?Our weddings for example are different to Turkish weddings,so are our folklore,and Cypriot music,and worldview and our sense of humour, our spiritual orientation,our cuisine etc are all different to the Turkish ones. Or are they still???Is there anything left of the old Turkish Cypriot culture that someone like me can look forward to?
I hope you realise these are not tricky questions,I am genuinely trying to understand if the "sense of belonging" you talk about is something I too can experience in the TRNC? Or will it be like a foreign country for me?

Thanks in advance.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:08 am

LENA wrote:Birkibrisli and Natty, I am sorry that I will interrupt your conversation but I would like to make a comment on the wedding subject.
Miltiades, do you really know whats going on in Cyprus? We have 2007. International marriage is not a taboo any more. Its a fact. And if you want to find out just search in the Internet...but to help you a little bit in 2004 we had...
-10931 marriages...

-3359 was religious ceremonies
-7572 was civil ceremonies...

From 7572... 1990 was between people who live in Cyprus and 187 between GC...

A wedding between GC and TC its a fact but its rare...as VP said he doesnt want his children to get married a GC. The same feeling that many GC parents have. I dont blame him.

To be honest I have 3 friends of mine that they are dating with TC but I dont think that they will move to the next level. Even now, they have problems with their families and friends too. They are not able to go to any Greek party or Turkish party etc.

But its shame to put our ego and our patriotism in frond of ours or our children's happiness


I am a bit confused by the above figures,Natty

What do you mean by 1990 were between people who live in Cyprus?
Where do the rest of the married couples live?

And only 187 GC couples???What nationality are the rest? Thanks... :?
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Postby LENA » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:25 am

Birkibrisli wrote:I am a bit confused by the above figures,Natty

What do you mean by 1990 were between people who live in Cyprus?
Where do the rest of the married couples live?

And only 187 GC couples???What nationality are the rest? Thanks... :?


My name is LENA...not Natty,

By "1990 were between people who live in Cyprus", I mean that people who resides in Cyprus but they are not Cypriots, their nationality is different, they got married. Everybody live in Cyprus. But the nationality varied. Only 187 Cypriot couples was married by civil ceremony...we prefer religion ceremonies.

The rest of the couples (7572-2177=5395), was couples which one of them was Cypriot and the other one was from a different country like Bulgaria, Russia etc. I apologise for my English! :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:31 am

Birkibrisli
If, like me, you were born in Paphos,and the best years of your childhood were spend there,do you think you'd miss those particular smells and sounds of Cyprus? Or do you think you could easily susbtitute them with the sounds and smells of present day TRNC?


Your memory recalls the smells and sounds of Paphos, which I do not know but I can assure you that the TRNC will revive your memories in the sense that the sound and smell of coffee shops where people joke with each other, playing tavla and drinking Turkish Coffee all you have to do is go into old Nicosia to realize that the north has naturally retained the olde charm which the south imo has lost.

When you say"the language" do you mean Turkish or Cypriot Turkish?
Is there any part of your language that is particularly Cypriot?Do you still use words and phrases like 'Sakko' 'zibil' 'zeflemek' 'gotunun dumberekkasi'(sorry!)'napan be angoni' 'ma hacan da gacacan be''birak be o beytambali" etc...???


We still do use the Turkish Cypriot phrases which we pass onto our children and they hopefully will pass onto their if they marry of their own kind.

When you say "our culture" do you mean the Turkish culture or the Cypriot Turkish culture?Our weddings for example are different to Turkish weddings,so are our folklore,and Cypriot music,and worldview and our sense of humour, our spiritual orientation,our cuisine etc are all different to the Turkish ones. Or are they still???Is there anything left of the old Turkish Cypriot culture that someone like me can look forward to?


You have to get into TC society to enjoy all the old traditions and cultures which are maintained and sometimes modernized and made practical, the dance of the 7 virgins still takes place at many weddings or the Kina gecesi before the marriage, you have to live the TRNC to appreciate it without any fear of the past. This is how we have grown up and we raise our children, they are lucky enough to be able to enjoy their own rich culture and also taste what abroad and believe me they always come or long to return just as you do.

I hope you realise these are not tricky questions,I am genuinely trying to understand if the "sense of belonging" you talk about is something I too can experience in the TRNC? Or will it be like a foreign country for me?


Noway you will feel at home right away the TCs are friendly people who open their arms and homes to all including GCs you can ask them many have good relations with TCs who have no objections ot them visiting their homes. You to if you accept that the TRNC is your home will feel you belong as it is where Turkish Cypriots are and feel they belong, if you consider yourself one of us you to will feel at home, if you feel alienated by not having GCs around then you will hate it. But do not fear in 10 minutes you can cross south to where your GC brothers live and sample their way of life and whether you feel part of it.
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Postby zan » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:37 am

Birkibrisli wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:I love being a Turkish Cypriot, the weather, the smells, the flowers, the language, the laid back attitude and originality of the TRNC, the sense of belonging, our culture, watching my son folk dancing and many many other things make me feel special. Even with all its imperfections and being isolated from the world its home its where we feel safe and where we belong.



If, like me, you were born in Paphos,and the best years of your childhood were spend there,do you think you'd miss those particular smells and sounds of Cyprus? Or do you think you could easily susbtitute them with the sounds and smells of present day TRNC?

When you say"the language" do you mean Turkish or Cypriot Turkish?
Is there any part of your language that is particularly Cypriot?Do you still use words and phrases like 'Sakko' 'zibil' 'zeflemek' 'gotunun dumberekkasi'(sorry!)'napan be angoni' 'ma hacan da gacacan be''birak be o beytambali" etc...???

When you say "our culture" do you mean the Turkish culture or the Cypriot Turkish culture?Our weddings for example are different to Turkish weddings,so are our folklore,and Cypriot music,and worldview and our sense of humour, our spiritual orientation,our cuisine etc are all different to the Turkish ones. Or are they still???Is there anything left of the old Turkish Cypriot culture that someone like me can look forward to?
I hope you realise these are not tricky questions,I am genuinely trying to understand if the "sense of belonging" you talk about is something I too can experience in the TRNC? Or will it be like a foreign country for me?

Thanks in advance.




Bir, you sound like my old man and I genuinely feel for you as I do for him. Times have moved on old son and those things have gone with only a faint smell left behind. I can remember the weddings we used to have in England too. The build up of many women coming together and making koftes and peeling potatoes. The chickens going off to the bakers to be cooked in big ovens. My aunts and uncles and cousins and friends all helping with serving and cleaning up. The live bands and the kemaneci. The old songs sung by old people on the microphone with too much echo. The fights between gaba kafali men that drank too much. The same old presents that made their way from wedding to wedding.



All gone and expensive weddings have taken their place with caterers and roast beef and bastis in pretty foil and a DJ and me sitting at the table watching the young children running about and wishing I could do the same..........all change for the 21st century...........Even my ability to smell has nearly all gone.
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