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[zan]

Lena

Given the choice there is only one way to go and that is gas. I don’t know if they are already using them in Cyprus but being in Europe they should be, and they are condensing boilers. These are much more efficient than the older type and give out virtually no harmful emissions in the atmosphere.


The oil-fired boilers are only used if there is no option in my experience. The initial cost of an oil fired system is greater also because you have to have a fuel tank fitted in your garden and the regulations stipulate certain distances and heights in accordance to your property. Just the fitting of the tank and the run to the house will set you back a pretty penny and it will take a long time to recoup that money because as far as I know the price difference between gas and oil is not that great. There are also the running costs, as far as servicing goes. The oil fired boilers are dirtier and need to be serviced without fail and that service is more involved and therefore more expensive. The inconvenience of having to get people round to fill the tank is something you need to think about as well.


So gas is my preference.



Some things to watch out for.

Make sure your boiler is of the newer condensing type.

Have thermostatic radiator valves fitted to all your radiators (Except the one in the hallway)

Have a room thermostat fitted in your hallway as central to the house as you can.

If there are not too many people in the household, have a combination boiler fitted. (Otherwise known as a Combi Boiler).

If you are going to have a hot water cylinder fitted make sure it is a good one that has very good lagging.

Don’t go for micro bore pipe work because it is rubbish.

Make sure your house is properly lagged and with double-glazing if possible.


Don’t make the mistake a lot of people do and turn off five of your eight radiators thinking that it will save you money.

Don’t do what a lot of women I see do and have the heating on with the windows open.

The one thing I tell people is “keep the heat in and the cold out”.


And hardest of all, try not to think of me when you are taking a shower.


And one last thing, why does Pyro turn every thing into an argument?

[Pete_D]

Given the choice there is only one way to go and that is gas. I don’t know if they are already using them in Cyprus but being in Europe they should be, and they are condensing boilers. These are much more efficient than the older type and give out virtually no harmful emissions in the atmosphere.

Apart from all the CO2 which is a greenhouse gas, though ....

The inconvenience of having to get people round to fill the tank is something you need to think about as well.

Well in Pafos my parents need regular visits from the "gas man" to top up their big bottle of gas, which is used for the heating & hot water.

Have thermostatic radiator valves fitted to all your radiators (Except the one in the hallway)

Well, basically you must have one valve which cannot close to ensure the pump can always circulate the water somewhere. Or you can fit a bypass valve for systems which have TRVs fitted throughout.

If there are not too many people in the household, have a combination boiler fitted. (Otherwise known as a Combi Boiler).

Can be a good idea, but you may well get reduced water pressure when it is going full chat to run the heating as well. Better for small houses rather than less people, IMO.

If you are going to have a hot water cylinder fitted make sure it is a good one that has very good lagging.

Seems to be a problem in Cyprus in winter, if the hot water tank is on the roof to help heat the water in summer but then in winter it is difficult to hold the heat?????

Make sure your house is properly lagged and with double-glazing if possible.

Hmmm.... maybe we are only talking about heating systems in e.g the UK now?....

And hardest of all, try not to think of me when you are taking a shower.

Zan the man, please help me! I am trying soooo hard not to think of you in the shower, but I just can't help myself! Please.... what can I do to resolve this conundrum?!!

And one last thing, why does Pyro turn every thing into an argument?

Maybe because pyro = pyrotehnic, hence everything just always "blows up" into an argument?!

Pete

[zan]

HI Pete

The whole idea of a condensing boiler is that it does not produce CO2. Well not out of the exhaust anyway. It is CONDENSED into a small water reservoir, which is then vented into the ground as a constant drip. The boiler manufacturers say that only pure steam comes out of the exhaust. How true that is I don’t know but the EU has made the fitting of any other type of boiler illegal.





Are there no direct gas feeds in the south at all ???????


You do not need any by passes on a combination boiler and a normal boiler in a normal size house does not have a pump over run but even so a simple by pass can be fitted.



Sorry mate but once the heating circuit is charged to its running pressure there is no connection with that and the mains pressure. All heating systems these days are closed circuits(sealed systems) that run under pressure like a balloon. If you mean the boiler will run slower when both are running together then all boilers have a hot water priority system and the energy is diverted to the hot water when it is on. The only problem can come when two taps are turned on at the same time.

Roof space cylinders I suppose will have to have more rapping in winter.


As for double glazing, there is glass now that will keep the heat out in summer and the cold out in winter so I see no reason as to why they cannot be installed in Cyprus. Same with lagging in the loft and the walls.


With the thinking about me in the shower…..I was comfortable with the thought when it was aimed at Lena but now I am not so sure but what ever rocks your boat is alright with me. Zan the gay icon……I could live with that.

[Pete_D]

Zan are you bychance a plumber or heating engineer by profession?

The whole idea of a condensing boiler is that it does not produce CO2. Well not out of the exhaust anyway. It is CONDENSED into a small water reservoir, which is then vented into the ground as a constant drip. The boiler manufacturers say that only pure steam comes out of the exhaust. How true that is I don’t know but the EU has made the fitting of any other type of boiler illegal.

For sure the condensing boiler is more efficient as it has a bigger heat exchanger. But I just don't see how it would not produce ANY CO2 since that is a natural byproduct of burning?

Are there no direct gas feeds in the south at all ???????

Pass. But for sure an awful lot of people rely on regular updates of natural gas. The guy that supplies my parents comes all the way from Nicosia so he must do pretty good business!

You do not need any by passes on a combination boiler and a normal boiler in a normal size house does not have a pump over run but even so a simple by pass can be fitted.

Maybe... but for sure in my system which is open-vented it would need a bypass if TRVs were used throughout otherwise the pump would not be able to circulate the water anywhere.

If you mean the boiler will run slower when both are running together...

Yes, hence the rate of heating of the water is slower hence lower hot water pressure, except you then said...

all boilers have a hot water priority system and the energy is diverted to the hot water when it is on.

... which means it would actually be the other way round!

Hence, when my friend with his combi boiler experienced a drop in hot water pressure when the heating was running then it could only mean one thing: his heating system was f*cked!!!!!

As for double glazing, there is glass now that will keep the heat out in summer and the cold out in winter so I see no reason as to why they cannot be installed in Cyprus. Same with lagging in the loft and the walls.

Yes, and it seems to me that in Cyprus some measures should be (and are being) incorporated into new build houses like this. It is all very well having houses which are brilliant at keeping cool in the summer, but then if it gets cold in winter you end up with big fuel bills due to lack of insulation.

With the thinking about me in the shower…..I was comfortable with the thought when it was aimed at Lena but now I am not so sure but what ever rocks your boat is alright with me. Zan the gay icon……I could live with that.

Well, first of all we can't be sure that Lena is indeed who "she" says she is, she could actually be a bloke masquerading as a woman on the internet (although I doubt it )

Secondly - let's get one thing clear. I AM indeed a hetrosexual bloke, lets quash that rumour right now about me thinking about you in the shower matey boy, I was only joking! Let me point that out one more time people - I do not think of zan in the shower, or anywhere else for that matter!!!!
(Phew - I think I got away with it just about there!!!)

Pete

[Martyn Neate]

in know gas is the best for central, but you are right if installing A/C reverse cycle it is very good and much cheaper if it is a new install ,but not as good as gas for central, but that said i dont sell heating so some bum with no idea will pop up tell how good their product is ( spare me )

Hello Ivor,

Just saying hello! Just got home and turned PC on.

Just had more good new, think I have sold the house here in UK. obviously subject to contracts etc...

Plus had an email from the Cyprus high commission in London today, they are sending me some details in the post.

Also spoken to the Embassy who were reasonably helpful.

From Martyn & Family

[zan]

Zan are you bychance a plumber or heating engineer by profession?

I am an electrician that has been wiring them for 32 years so I have picked up a few things along the way.



With the condensing boiler it is not that the burner or heat exchanger is bigger but that it is more like a turbo charger on a car. It reuses the heat from the boiler and that is why it is more efficient.


As for the CO2 as I said…….were you not listening at the back……….the exhaust fumes are passed through water (not forgetting they are cooler than normal because of he Turbo effect) and the water acts like a filter and condenses the CO2 into it. This water is then discharged through a plastic pipe into the ground outside your home. A small trench filled with gravel takes the water away slowly.

[queenslander]

Hi Martyn hope all goes well for you

[Pete_D]

Zan
don't educate these idiots

we have tried but failed, let it go

You think I'm an idiot, sunshine?

I've got 1st class honours degree and an MSc with distinction in Electrical and Electronic engineering, you think that makes me an idiot?

More qualified than just a sparky I would say, wouldn't you?

[queenslander]

you are the one upset not me

[Martyn Neate]

Hi Martyn hope all goes well for you

Fingers Crossed !

Im putting every effort into it just hope it pays off, im sure it will.

Im keeping the business in the UK, Luckily we have another electrician in the family, so hopefully povide me with a small secondary income when i come to live in Cyprus.

With keeping the business we also retain all our existing contracts.

From Martyn & Family