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New Poll in TRNC 65% of TCs want a 2 state solution.

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:14 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:We came to this point in our discussion

Viewpoint wrote: How can you be so sure GCs will not want their property rights or return? do you really believe all them will sell? you are not being very realistic, one minute you are all crying ho my ancestral lands and now just because the table has been turned and you will live as a minority in the TRNC which by the way is what you offer us you suddenly have forgotten all those crocodile tears and want to sell up, funny that never thought GC claims on property was very sincere just another play to take control of the whole island and force pure majority GC rule. The % for TC land ownership can be evaluated by an independent body, taking into account disputes, 1963, GC return, plus don't forget our share of state land this figure will easily reach over 20%.


And I told you we reached an almost discussable point. I asked you this.

wrote: OK Viewpoint, we almost reached a discussable point.
Now tell me what have YOU DONE to persuade the GCs accept partition? Tell me have you returned any land to RoC? Have you accomodated any GC come there and live as a normal citizen under an acceptable law (like the EU law), get his lands and properties, get voting rights, have you lessened the number of the Turkish army, have you sent any settlers back, have you returned the ghost town of Famagusta? Have you called for an independent committee to judge the matter of land ownership?

NB. I hope you do not revert with ridiculous answers like yes we established a property committtee while at the same time your own leaders say it cannot return not even 1% of properties....


You by passed my questions (for which obviously your side did almost nothing) and you told me this

wrote: Opened borders,
Direct telephone connection,
GC school
Allowed Church masses
Property Commission
Changed property law 159
Returned or compensated 11 GCs applicants more on the way
Voted yes to plan you consider partition
Allow long stays
Allow GCs to fly from Ercan spring to mind...


This my dear VP is evidence to convince the GCs that 99% of occupation is still there alive and kicking, NOT evidence that partition is the best solution through which we would be benefited the maximum possible. Therefore such proposals to solve the Cyprus problem can only have one treatment: Straight into the dustbin.

If I were to comment on those points, the border were not opened to serve the GCs, there is no direct telephone line other than the one the UN themselves established, the school (horay you let us the human right of education after you knocked out 1800 out of the 2000 GCs from Karpasia, you allowed a couple of churches to operate out of our 500 most of which were turned to dancing halls, and henneries etc etc. In general everything that provided you profit either directly or indirectly on the expense of us….


Pyro its very obvious that beyond allowing you to turn the whole island into a GC state you will dismiss every little arguement put forward by any of us.

Lets now hear what your side has done to show us that unifiaciton is better than what we have today....
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Postby zan » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:21 pm

I cannot believe that he took all that time typing and came out with absolutely nothing. He keeps going on about what the RoC have done for us and it really amounts nothing again. Thay did what they had to do under international pressure so that they could say "what embargoes" and we are supposed to be grateful. They give us low paidjobs on the whole and don't even pay the relavent taxes to their own government and we are humbled. What ever next.


Give us some proper details Pyro and stop all the rot.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:57 pm

We give you jobs? No you take jobs.
They are not highly paid? Go ask the electrician how much he makes.
The employers don't pay you taxes? No the TCs themselves get the taxes in their pockets to increase their salary. If the employer refuses they go next door.

The TRashNcan is a totally illegal and fascist establishment that denies my basic rights. The TRashNcan IS YOUR EMBARGO.

And yes the RoC is not going to put you into beds and care for you as if you are patients. YOU GET YOUR CARE BY PARTICIPATING in the RoC. RoC is not Turkey who gives you handouts. RoC does not oblidge any of its citizens to be beggars, nor it treats them like that.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 pm

And finally RoC gives you the way out to be respected and prosperous citizens.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:05 am

Viewpoint wrote: Pyro its very obvious that beyond allowing you to turn the whole island into a GC state you will dismiss every little arguement put forward by any of us.


Will you ever understand you are a minority with minority ownership in Cyprus? Will you ever understand that we will not committ massive suicide so that we become your minority?
Will you ever understand that you will be having a TC district in a United Republic of Cyprus and this is really what you always wanted, and we accepted it already? If you will still feel " the other district is full of those Greeks, and they are bigger than us and they breath all the oxygen of the air in Cyprus", and you feeel like dominated, then there is nothing I can do for you.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:15 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Viewpoint wrote: Pyro its very obvious that beyond allowing you to turn the whole island into a GC state you will dismiss every little arguement put forward by any of us.


Will you ever understand you are a minority with minority ownership in Cyprus? Will you ever understand that we will not committ massive suicide so that we become your minority?
Will you ever understand that you will be having a TC district in a United Republic of Cyprus and this is really what you always wanted, and we accepted it already? If you will still feel " the other district is full of those Greeks, and they are bigger than us and they breath all the oxygen of the air in Cyprus", and you feeel like dominated, then there is nothing I can do for you.


Please explain district? Strovolos is a district. We are partners in Cyprus not just another minority, we are your equals no less no more. Just because you are 6ft tall and we are 5ft8 doesnt mean we are any less of a partner.
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Postby zan » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:18 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:We give you jobs? No you take jobs.
They are not highly paid? Go ask the electrician how much he makes.
The employers don't pay you taxes? No the TCs themselves get the taxes in their pockets to increase their salary. If the employer refuses they go next door.

The TRashNcan is a totally illegal and fascist establishment that denies my basic rights. The TRashNcan IS YOUR EMBARGO.

And yes the RoC is not going to put you into beds and care for you as if you are patients. YOU GET YOUR CARE BY PARTICIPATING in the RoC. RoC is not Turkey who gives you handouts. RoC does not oblidge any of its citizens to be beggars, nor it treats them like that.



As I said bare minimum to look good in EU world eyes and not like the agressor. As with the black market of TC workers, even that has a supply and demand basis. If there is a shortage then the demand is high.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:22 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:We give you jobs? No you take jobs.
They are not highly paid? Go ask the electrician how much he makes.
The employers don't pay you taxes? No the TCs themselves get the taxes in their pockets to increase their salary. If the employer refuses they go next door.

The TRashNcan is a totally illegal and fascist establishment that denies my basic rights. The TRashNcan IS YOUR EMBARGO.

And yes the RoC is not going to put you into beds and care for you as if you are patients. YOU GET YOUR CARE BY PARTICIPATING in the RoC. RoC is not Turkey who gives you handouts. RoC does not oblidge any of its citizens to be beggars, nor it treats them like that.


Are these it? these were happening pre 2003 as the GCs claim to represent the whole island and score brownie points for providing the above , what has your leaders done to encourage unity?......I think you are unable to answer thats the real reason for the big silence. I personally would give you mroeo credit if you were honest and said the truth being nothing.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:25 am

Viewpoint wrote: Just because you are 6ft tall and we are 5ft8 doesnt mean we are any less of a partner.


Oh I wished you did not use this as an analogy, because if they are 6ft, than that would only make us 2ft, max. with the population percentages.

Never mind, we can always walk on stilts, to make up the difference. :lol:

Oh I forgot, we already have Turkey for that. :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:30 am

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote: Just because you are 6ft tall and we are 5ft8 doesnt mean we are any less of a partner.


Oh I wished you did not use this as an analogy, because if they are 6ft, than that would only make us 2ft, max. with the population percentages.

Never mind, we can always walk on stilts, to make up the difference. :lol:

Oh I forgot, we already have Turkey for that. :lol:


Its only an analogy even at 2ft is doesnt make us any less a partner.
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