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[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.cypruspolls.org/BuildingTrust.pdf

I extracted this from the kadem website it seems to be the latest source available (June 2006)

I'll not make any comment as I will get 'shot down' by the more politically astute forum members

I am trying to learn about the Cyprus problem so any views would be appreciated

Thanks Richard.
That totally contradicts what VP said. In fact on page 16, 75% of the TCs actually reject a 2 state solution.
On another questio 52% accept a Fed solution and 21% are not sure.

VP are you fabricating a new agenda item?

[bill cobbett]

can you breakdown the voters? ie TC and settlers

?

Seems a fair question VP, when you say TCs are you including all settlers etc from the mainland (Turkey)?

I think RichardB and others who have questioned the nature of the "electorate" are quite right. I have gone through this and can find no reference in any of the questions that the poll in the north was confined to legitimate northern Cypriots.

You might be able to make an assessment as to the scale of the settler effect by referring to the breakdown attached to the question on page 27 about the return of illegal settlers where 48% of northerners gave a negative response. A figure which would put the rest of the poll in a very different light.

[Viewpoint]

http://www.cypruspolls.org/BuildingTrust.pdf

I extracted this from the kadem website it seems to be the latest source available (June 2006)

I'll not make any comment as I will get 'shot down' by the more politically astute forum members

I am trying to learn about the Cyprus problem so any views would be appreciated

Thanks Richard.
That totally contradicts what VP said. In fact on page 16, 75% of the TCs actually reject a 2 state solution.
On another questio 52% accept a Fed solution and 21% are not sure.

VP are you fabricating a new agenda item?

No I am not this issue was a headline in the Kibris yesterday, and you may not be aware Kadem is the company that works closely with Alexandros Lordos who together have produced some very good polls that everyone on the forum applauded last year.

The general feeling in the north is we are better off going it alone, this is understandable under the lack of positive measures being taken by the EU in the aftermath of the referendum, and of course the GCs intransigence in returning to negotiations as they are well aware that another failure could result in the final blow that would seal partition for good.

[observer]

Pitsilos wrote:

can you breakdown the voters? ie TC and settlers?

i will also presume that the 20% that want a federation are true TCs

Since it is the same population that overwhelmingly voted for a Federation nearly 3 years ago, what it shows is a significant move away from that position. The precise detail of who said or voted for what isn't as important as the fact that there is a shift in the North by all groups towards total partition as the only viable solution.

This has happened because of the attitude of the GC politicians (example: DISY being screamed at for talking to the TC community leader), the failure of the EU to deliver on its promises (largely, we feel, because of GC blocking at every turn), and the growth of minor incidents and vandalism on TC registered cars parked in the South (it has happened to me and to friends).

I admit that other GCs have made me feel welcome. But the growth in anti-TC attitudes that I feel that I encounter when visiting RoC has made me revise my attitude to a settlement. I want very strong safeguards. I would be sorry if that resulted in partition but, as with so much else, GCs are bringing this upon themselves.

This poll, by the way, is the front page news of today's Cyprus Mail.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yeah right.
Everything is the fault of GCs.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you ethnically cleansed one of the 2 GCs and grabbed his lands and properties.
Nothing to do that you declared a separate state on our stolen lands, and you were for partition for as long as I remember.

I wonder what would you do to the GCs if they did the same to you. Would you just limit youur resentment to simple vandalising on some cars or would you cut some throats as well?

[DT.]

Pitsilos wrote:

can you breakdown the voters? ie TC and settlers?

i will also presume that the 20% that want a federation are true TCs

Since it is the same population that overwhelmingly voted for a Federation nearly 3 years ago, what it shows is a significant move away from that position. The precise detail of who said or voted for what isn't as important as the fact that there is a shift in the North by all groups towards total partition as the only viable solution.

This has happened because of the attitude of the GC politicians (example: DISY being screamed at for talking to the TC community leader), the failure of the EU to deliver on its promises (largely, we feel, because of GC blocking at every turn), and the growth of minor incidents and vandalism on TC registered cars parked in the South (it has happened to me and to friends).

I admit that other GCs have made me feel welcome. But the growth in anti-TC attitudes that I feel that I encounter when visiting RoC has made me revise my attitude to a settlement. I want very strong safeguards. I would be sorry if that resulted in partition but, as with so much else, GCs are bringing this upon themselves.

This poll, by the way, is the front page news of today's Cyprus Mail.

I'd chosse a more appropriate name if i were you cause observer you ain't.

[Viewpoint]

Yeah right.
Everything is the fault of GCs.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you ethnically cleansed one of the 2 GCs and grabbed his lands and properties.
Nothing to do that you declared a separate state on our stolen lands, and you were for partition for as long as I remember.

I wonder what would you do to the GCs if they did the same to you. Would you just limit youur resentment to simple vandalising on some cars or would you cut some throats as well?

Hot air address the issues, this is what you face 65% now want 2 state solution fom wantinf a federal solution what will your GC leaders do to turn this tide? What steps will they take to entice, persuade TCs that they are equals and will have a role in their own future in a united Cyprus.

[DT.]

Yeah right.
Everything is the fault of GCs.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you ethnically cleansed one of the 2 GCs and grabbed his lands and properties.
Nothing to do that you declared a separate state on our stolen lands, and you were for partition for as long as I remember.

I wonder what would you do to the GCs if they did the same to you. Would you just limit youur resentment to simple vandalising on some cars or would you cut some throats as well?

Hot air address the issues, this is what you face 65% now want 2 state solution fom wantinf a federal solution what will your GC leaders do to turn this tide? What steps will they take to entice, persuade TCs that they are equals and will have a role in their own future in a united Cyprus.

they don't have to entice, persuade, flirt, brown nose or whatever other action you think out politicking idiots should be doing. TC's need to want it as well. Status quo is hurting both of us VP, where's your rush?

[Viewpoint]

Yeah right.
Everything is the fault of GCs.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you ethnically cleansed one of the 2 GCs and grabbed his lands and properties.
Nothing to do that you declared a separate state on our stolen lands, and you were for partition for as long as I remember.

I wonder what would you do to the GCs if they did the same to you. Would you just limit youur resentment to simple vandalising on some cars or would you cut some throats as well?

Hot air address the issues, this is what you face 65% now want 2 state solution fom wantinf a federal solution what will your GC leaders do to turn this tide? What steps will they take to entice, persuade TCs that they are equals and will have a role in their own future in a united Cyprus.

they don't have to entice, persuade, flirt, brown nose or whatever other action you think out politicking idiots should be doing. TC's need to want it as well. Status quo is hurting both of us VP, where's your rush?

If whats on offer is better than what we have then TCs will make the move why is it so difficult to understand. Its human nature if you cant see a better life for yourself united with GCs then you would rather stay as you are.
Thats whats happening now TCs have seen GC first hand for the last 3 years and guess what suprise suprise they are saying will we are better off as we are. This is a reflection of your own attitudes towards a solution and the negative effect you ahve on the north.

[observer]

Pyrpolizer:

Everything is the fault of GCs.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you ethnically cleansed one of the 2 GCs and grabbed his lands and properties.
Nothing to do that you declared a separate state on our stolen lands, and you were for partition for as long as I remember.

There is enough fault for everyone to have a large slice.

Personally, I have always felt that partition would be wrong. At various points in our joint history there have been opportunities to start a journey together. But one side or the other has always wanted that little bit more, or felt themselves not getting enough. 2004 was one of those opportunities. Now, for the reasons I said in my earlier post, the GC attitude is driving pro-settlement TCs into the partitionist camp.