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[DT.]

30 odd sea plots, have been shared out between lebanon, egypt and cyprus. This has confirmed the exclusivity rights over the plots that are half way closer to cyprus shores. Israel is already pumping its own oil.

[Kikapu]

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Thats a MASSIVE amount of sea space, why would it be Cypriot oil and how come Israel is out of the equation when its right in the middle of it?

If it's in International waters, then I believe, it is "finders keepers".

[DT.]

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Thats a MASSIVE amount of sea space, why would it be Cypriot oil and how come Israel is out of the equation when its right in the middle of it?

If it's in International waters, then I believe, it is "finders keepers".

not really kikapu, hence the agreements with the other 3 states. They've agreed between them who gets what from the water between them.

[shahmaran]

Kikapu, i have nothing against the political reality of the situation, i TOO know that TRNC doesnt exist politically, but you must understand that people dont choose their nationality according to UN papers and definately not according to Wikipedia.

I dont believe i have a closed mind about GCs, i have nothing against them as a nation, religion, ethics, philosophy, culture, etc. but none of this means that i feel a part of them, we are just different, i did not grow up side by side with GCs like you have, almost no one in my generation has, unless they live abroad like you and engage with them on a daily basis.

Why is it so hard to understand that i seriously find it difficult to affiliate myself with the GC on the basis of nationality. I believe i did say to you, either 1st or 2nd post to you that we do live in different times, maybe 30 years from now when all this is over i would too call myself simply Cypriot, but plenty of integrated living has to go on before i can do so. I cannot just feel a part of the GCs simply because my grandpa says so, hence my thread on Nationality vs. Ethnicity.

You have to be able to see that for many this is more than just a phisical division, TRNC is simply where we live and its our home, and EVERYONE there calls them self KKTC'li.

OK, enough said on the "TRNC" and it's legal status..

Would you believe me if I told you, that I do not have any Greek or Turkish friends at all, except for one Turkish "friend" that comes sailing with me in San Francisco, perhaps once a year, for few hours. I do not get influenced by anyone, from either side.

No one is asking you to feel part of the GC's. I don't feel like a GC's, no matter what VP says. Just feel as a Turkish Cypriot, which is what we are.

Sure i would believe you, but it would definately make the roots of your position a lot more blurry then before, so i would asume that you think what you think simply because it is politically correct and not because it is based on your experiences. Which in my case is the opposite.

[Kikapu]

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Thats a MASSIVE amount of sea space, why would it be Cypriot oil and how come Israel is out of the equation when its right in the middle of it?

If it's in International waters, then I believe, it is "finders keepers".

not really kikapu, hence the agreements with the other 3 states. They've agreed between them who gets what from the water between them.

True, but who found the "oil deposits". Was it the RoC, or all the STATES involved.

[Pyrpolizer]

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[DT.]

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Thats a MASSIVE amount of sea space, why would it be Cypriot oil and how come Israel is out of the equation when its right in the middle of it?

If it's in International waters, then I believe, it is "finders keepers".

not really kikapu, hence the agreements with the other 3 states. They've agreed between them who gets what from the water between them.

True, but who found the "oil deposits". Was it the RoC, or all the STATES involved.

NOt sure who found them first, why? Egypt has already started drilling some time ago but they have honoured the exclusivity agreement with cyprus and have only gone into their part of the seabed.

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikapu, i have nothing against the political reality of the situation, i TOO know that TRNC doesnt exist politically, but you must understand that people dont choose their nationality according to UN papers and definately not according to Wikipedia.

I dont believe i have a closed mind about GCs, i have nothing against them as a nation, religion, ethics, philosophy, culture, etc. but none of this means that i feel a part of them, we are just different, i did not grow up side by side with GCs like you have, almost no one in my generation has, unless they live abroad like you and engage with them on a daily basis.

Why is it so hard to understand that i seriously find it difficult to affiliate myself with the GC on the basis of nationality. I believe i did say to you, either 1st or 2nd post to you that we do live in different times, maybe 30 years from now when all this is over i would too call myself simply Cypriot, but plenty of integrated living has to go on before i can do so. I cannot just feel a part of the GCs simply because my grandpa says so, hence my thread on Nationality vs. Ethnicity.

You have to be able to see that for many this is more than just a phisical division, TRNC is simply where we live and its our home, and EVERYONE there calls them self KKTC'li.

I don’t think this is the case Shah. Most of the TC people I know say they are CYPRIOTS. What this CYPRIOT thing means to them is clearly seen when they point me someone saying, look that one is not a Cypriot he is a TURK a Karasakali.

The fact is, I also say I am a CYPRIOT, and nobody so far told me, no you are not, you are simply an ROC CYPRIOT and I am a North CYPRIOT.

In my opinion this CYPRIOT thing imcludes both Turkish and Greek Cypriots, you can not separate it into two completely isolated parts. Nobody is a true Cypriot unless he says my Country -My Nation is CYPRUS and it has people who speak Turkish, Greek, Arrmenian et cetera.

You said you personally never lived together with GCs so you cannot feel they are part of your Cypriotness. However I too have never lived together with people from Paphos, nobody in my family ever married one from Paphos. However those from Paphos say they are Cypriots too. How can I deprive them this right, how can I separate my self from them and say: Well if you Paphians are Cypriots then I am not, and vice versa.

So in my opinion your Cypriotness and my Cypriotness is an unquestionable FACT. The only thing left is if this Cypriotness is something different that Mainland Greekness or Mainland Turkishness. I believe it is.

[DT.]

Kikapu, i have nothing against the political reality of the situation, i TOO know that TRNC doesnt exist politically, but you must understand that people dont choose their nationality according to UN papers and definately not according to Wikipedia.

I dont believe i have a closed mind about GCs, i have nothing against them as a nation, religion, ethics, philosophy, culture, etc. but none of this means that i feel a part of them, we are just different, i did not grow up side by side with GCs like you have, almost no one in my generation has, unless they live abroad like you and engage with them on a daily basis.

Why is it so hard to understand that i seriously find it difficult to affiliate myself with the GC on the basis of nationality. I believe i did say to you, either 1st or 2nd post to you that we do live in different times, maybe 30 years from now when all this is over i would too call myself simply Cypriot, but plenty of integrated living has to go on before i can do so. I cannot just feel a part of the GCs simply because my grandpa says so, hence my thread on Nationality vs. Ethnicity.

You have to be able to see that for many this is more than just a phisical division, TRNC is simply where we live and its our home, and EVERYONE there calls them self KKTC'li.

I don’t think this is the case Shah. Most of the TC people I know say they are CYPRIOTS. What this CYPRIOT thing means to them is clearly seen when they point me someone saying, look that one is not a Cypriot he is a TURK a Karasakali.

The fact is, I also say I am a CYPRIOT, and nobody so far told me, no you are not, you are simply an ROC CYPRIOT and I am a North CYPRIOT.

In my opinion this CYPRIOT thing imcludes both Turkish and Greek Cypriots, you can not separate it into two completely isolated parts. Nobody is a true Cypriot unless he says my Country -My Nation is CYPRUS and it has people who speak Turkish, Greek, Arrmenian et cetera.

You said you personally never lived together with GCs so you cannot feel they are part of your Cypriotness. However I too have never lived together with people from Paphos, nobody in my family ever married one from Paphos. However those from Paphos say they are Cypriots too. How can I deprive them this right, how can I separate my self from them and say: Well if you Paphians are Cypriots then I am not, and vice versa.

So in my opinion your Cypriotness and my Cypriotness is an unquestionable FACT. The only thing left is if this Cypriotness is something different that Mainland Greekness or Mainland Turkishness. I believe it is.

If we're gonna start calling Paphians Cypriot then I'm getting off this island.

[Pyrpolizer]

Like I said in other posts the fact is there is petrol. Egypt is ALREADY extracting gas. The Electricity authority of Cyprus is already building stations for liquified gas. Why do you think?

The estimated value of oil for CYPRUS is 400 billion dollars.This means $500,000 for each person living in the free areas.

Yes I agree this money will bring the solution. And the only solution is to negotiate return to the 1960 constitution in a form of a Cyprus having 2 major administrative districts, with full democratic and individual rights everywhere.

Do you honestly believe, given the last 50 years of this country's history, that any proceeds of natural resources like oil will go to the people?

I find that too hard to believe.

Of course they will go to the people, where will they go to the moon?
This is a public International Tender man, nothing can stay so secret and go into the pockets of the few as you think. Here it is no Saudi Arabia that the Sheikhs and their nephews are both the Government and the Ministers and the pocket of the state....

You seem to think the International companies who will take the contracts would cheat? No they will not cheat. Simply their terms will be we divide 50-50. That's what they do everywhere in the world. They did the same to Greece, and Greece did not accept so they delayed the process by so many years, but eventually yielded.

For your information the oil is at a huge depth 4Km below sea level and only a couple of companies all around the world have the technology to take it out.
So yes they will cheat us, but the degree they will do will be known in advance.