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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:00 am

shahmaran wrote:Kikapu im sure you entertain yourself plenty with your little sarcasm.

You claim to know where we (the people of the TRNC) are from better then we do ourselves from thousands of miles away, yet our Passports say KKTC and so does our drivers licences and our ID cards, and we travel with them, i have rented a car with that from Madrid and drove all around Spain and Portugal, i have done the same in Germany and in Holland, so to be honest what you think means jack shit really but you are more than welcome to come over to the TRNC and try to preace otherwise, i hope that gave you the chukkles you were after my friend.


Shahmaran,

I was not being sarcastic with my question, honest. When I said "humour me" it was meant as, "could you please take the trouble again" to explain something, for the benefit of another. Maybe it's an American expression. Anyway, it was not intended for my amusement, to what you had to say.

I understand, when you say you come from the "TRNC", and all I'm saying is, it is not a country. I checked several sites on Google, just to make sure, "TRNC" did not become a "country", while I was at sleep, at some point since 1974. I found Cyprus, Turkey and even Tuvalia, where ever the hell that is, as countries, but I did not find "TRNC". After a long search, I did find something about the "TRNC" in WIKIPEDIA, and I quote:

"de facto independent state, diplomatically recognized by no UN member states, except Turkey, The Pepublic of Northern Cyprus"

Now, you tell me, who am I suppose to trust on this one, as to if the "TRNC" is a "country" or not. A de facto state, YES, but a country, NO.

You always hear the term, "a Man's home is it's Castle, and that he is the King", until the wife comes along and says, "he may be a King, but only a de facto one, and our home is not a Castle, it's a house".

PS. On a personal note Shahmaran, I can say that I like you. You have come a long way, from your posts, in the first couple of days, on the forum, so I will not intentionally try to make fun of you. I just ask you to keep an open mind.

This has just reminded me of something that happened over 30 years ago, so please bear with me for a minute.

Last July, I flew to London, to have a 30 year re-union with most of the teachers I got to know, at what use to be the North London College, in Islington, in the 70's. Amongst many people there, My Arts teacher, Mr. Wright was there also, so I asked him, whether he remembered an incident that took place at the college, which I caused a political storm, between the "Turks" and the "Greeks." He said, remind me what happened, so I explained to him.

For my art project, I poured plaster, about 2 inches thick, the size of your computer screen, and carved out (about half an inch) the land of Turkey and Cyprus, with a flag pole leading from Cyprus to Turkey, with a big Turkish flag at the end of it. Our projects were displayed in a hallway, as you entered the College. Well, let me tell you, talk about "shit hitting the fan". Mr. Wright had all of us into his class room, and gave us a good lecture between Art and Politics.

Now, I did not do this deliberately or intentionally, it just came out. Perhaps, because of my surroundings, family and Turkish friends I had at the time, that it was us (Turks) against them (Greeks). But over the years, I've learned, that there are more important things in the world, that fighting with your countrymen, or neighbours. It is much better to be polite to each other, even if you do not like them, that be in constant fights and arguments. Much like, what happens in every family really. So, what I wish for you Shahmaran is, that you can develop an open mind about everything, including about Cypriots, that you happen to be part of.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:11 am

humanist wrote: move back to 1960 constitution with two states and I would go a step further to 1960's constitution would enable a worthy Turkish Cypriot to become President if their ideology and policies support those of all Cypriots no need to accept that a president will always will be Greek Speaking. Why not give someone else the opportunity if they are exceptional.


I would like to see, that when you have a President and a Vice President running for office, one should be a TC and the other GC. It should not matter, which of the two is running for the Presidency, and the other as his running mate (women are not excluded). Let the people choose the best two candidates.
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Postby humanist » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:13 am

All for it here .....
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Postby raymanuva » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:24 pm

United States of Cyprus...
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:54 pm

Kikapu, i have nothing against the political reality of the situation, i TOO know that TRNC doesnt exist politically, but you must understand that people dont choose their nationality according to UN papers and definately not according to Wikipedia.

I dont believe i have a closed mind about GCs, i have nothing against them as a nation, religion, ethics, philosophy, culture, etc. but none of this means that i feel a part of them, we are just different, i did not grow up side by side with GCs like you have, almost no one in my generation has, unless they live abroad like you and engage with them on a daily basis.

Why is it so hard to understand that i seriously find it difficult to affiliate myself with the GC on the basis of nationality. I believe i did say to you, either 1st or 2nd post to you that we do live in different times, maybe 30 years from now when all this is over i would too call myself simply Cypriot, but plenty of integrated living has to go on before i can do so. I cannot just feel a part of the GCs simply because my grandpa says so, hence my thread on Nationality vs. Ethnicity.

You have to be able to see that for many this is more than just a phisical division, TRNC is simply where we live and its our home, and EVERYONE there calls them self KKTC'li.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:28 pm

shahmaran wrote:no i wasnt still pursuing the metaphor, i meant liturally, where exactly is this oil?!


It hasn't been found yet, there are just some good indications that there might be oil and gas reserves between cyprus and egypt/lebanon.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:30 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Like I said in other posts the fact is there is petrol. Egypt is ALREADY extracting gas. The Electricity authority of Cyprus is already building stations for liquified gas. Why do you think?

The estimated value of oil for CYPRUS is 400 billion dollars.This means $500,000 for each person living in the free areas.

Yes I agree this money will bring the solution. And the only solution is to negotiate return to the 1960 constitution in a form of a Cyprus having 2 major administrative districts, with full democratic and individual rights everywhere.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:34 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Like I said in other posts the fact is there is petrol. Egypt is ALREADY extracting gas. The Electricity authority of Cyprus is already building stations for liquified gas. Why do you think?

The estimated value of oil for CYPRUS is 400 billion dollars.This means $500,000 for each person living in the free areas.

Yes I agree this money will bring the solution. And the only solution is to negotiate return to the 1960 constitution in a form of a Cyprus having 2 major administrative districts, with full democratic and individual rights everywhere.


Do you honestly believe, given the last 50 years of this country's history, that any proceeds of natural resources like oil will go to the people?

I find that too hard to believe.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:35 pm

reportfromcyprus wrote:
shahmaran wrote:no i wasnt still pursuing the metaphor, i meant liturally, where exactly is this oil?!


It hasn't been found yet, there are just some good indications that there might be oil and gas reserves between cyprus and egypt/lebanon.


Thats a MASSIVE amount of sea space, why would it be Cypriot oil and how come Israel is out of the equation when its right in the middle of it?
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:45 pm

shahmaran wrote:Kikapu, i have nothing against the political reality of the situation, i TOO know that TRNC doesnt exist politically, but you must understand that people dont choose their nationality according to UN papers and definately not according to Wikipedia.

I dont believe i have a closed mind about GCs, i have nothing against them as a nation, religion, ethics, philosophy, culture, etc. but none of this means that i feel a part of them, we are just different, i did not grow up side by side with GCs like you have, almost no one in my generation has, unless they live abroad like you and engage with them on a daily basis.

Why is it so hard to understand that i seriously find it difficult to affiliate myself with the GC on the basis of nationality. I believe i did say to you, either 1st or 2nd post to you that we do live in different times, maybe 30 years from now when all this is over i would too call myself simply Cypriot, but plenty of integrated living has to go on before i can do so. I cannot just feel a part of the GCs simply because my grandpa says so, hence my thread on Nationality vs. Ethnicity.

You have to be able to see that for many this is more than just a phisical division, TRNC is simply where we live and its our home, and EVERYONE there calls them self KKTC'li.


OK, enough said on the "TRNC" and it's legal status..

Would you believe me if I told you, that I do not have any Greek or Turkish friends at all, except for one Turkish "friend" that comes sailing with me in San Francisco, perhaps once a year, for few hours. I do not get influenced by anyone, from either side.

No one is asking you to feel part of the GC's. I don't feel like a GC's, no matter what VP says. Just feel as a Turkish Cypriot, which is what we are.
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