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Postby humanist » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:43 am

Pyrpolizer, Do you mean this money WILL BUY A SOLUTION??? sorry Im feeling a sense of cinisism today... Will UNIFICATION of the people be based on wrong reasons? What have we achieved as a Cypriot Society?

It's agreat pitty because if we begin to examine the notion that that Greek Speaking Cypriot roots go back to ancient Greek civilisation then we ought to be ashamed that we don't take notice and follow the wisdom of the ancients. We have lost our sense of humanity, and the notion of love is ousted for modern world of monetary wealth. What about Society, Literature, Arts, Language Cuisine???
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Postby DT. » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:53 am

humanist wrote:Pyrpolizer, Do you mean this money WILL BUY A SOLUTION??? sorry Im feeling a sense of cinisism today... Will UNIFICATION of the people be based on wrong reasons? What have we achieved as a Cypriot Society?

It's agreat pitty because if we begin to examine the notion that that Greek Speaking Cypriot roots go back to ancient Greek civilisation then we ought to be ashamed that we don't take notice and follow the wisdom of the ancients. We have lost our sense of humanity, and the notion of love is ousted for modern world of monetary wealth. What about Society, Literature, Arts, Language Cuisine???


Ancient Greeks didn't have VP to contend with. :wink:
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:37 am

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Viewpoint wrote:If we want parititon then we should look for our own petrol.


Just look? And what if there is nothing out there to "look" at you back


Then its tough luck we opted for a 2 state solution, if we also find a source which is very possible due to proximity then that will be ours simple as that, each side to their own.

Has petrol been found? or are we just guessing like we have been doing for over 50 years. Its a waste of time talking about something that doesn't exist.

To make this argument even more silly what if the TCs produce more and become richer than GCs?
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Postby humanist » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:49 am

money does not always mean wealth my friend, but if that is the way it will go then good luck to ya. Tho very sad for Cypriots as they would lose their identity and history,
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:57 am

humanist wrote:money does not always mean wealth my friend, but if that is the way it will go then good luck to ya. Tho very sad for Cypriots as they would lose their identity and history,


Its the GCs who are trying to tap into their natural resources and make more money which is not bad thing imo but this whole argument of sharing raised by the TRNC is ridiculous, if that were the case then both sides should share all profits from natural resources. Its the TRNC that argues it is a state it shoudl act like one and ask for a level playing field rather than profits from unfound petrol.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:08 am

miltiades wrote:Oil deposits are the property of all Cypriots , T/Cs and G/Cs regardless of the political situation On our island today. All Cypriots should benefit from any wealth that is generated .


That's a fair statement - unfortunately, the govt doesn't see it that way and persists with its dogmatic rhetoric. When will they realise the 50's are over? When will they realise it's 2006 and wars happen over oil faster than the drop of a hat?

Maybe when we hear the bombs whistling in overhead. It's not farfetched, just ask Iraq.
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:20 am

Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:money does not always mean wealth my friend, but if that is the way it will go then good luck to ya. Tho very sad for Cypriots as they would lose their identity and history,


Its the GCs who are trying to tap into their natural resources and make more money which is not bad thing imo but this whole argument of sharing raised by the TRNC is ridiculous, if that were the case then both sides should share all profits from natural resources. Its the TRNC that argues it is a state it shoudl act like one and ask for a level playing field rather than profits from unfound petrol.



I don't think that they really think that they are going to get a share VP, as I said before it is a way of forcing the situation yet again. I don't agree with it though because we have played these games for long enough we need to show our real intentions and be honest in what we want. It is time to stop this embarrassing behaviour.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:25 am

zan wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:money does not always mean wealth my friend, but if that is the way it will go then good luck to ya. Tho very sad for Cypriots as they would lose their identity and history,


Its the GCs who are trying to tap into their natural resources and make more money which is not bad thing imo but this whole argument of sharing raised by the TRNC is ridiculous, if that were the case then both sides should share all profits from natural resources. Its the TRNC that argues it is a state it shoudl act like one and ask for a level playing field rather than profits from unfound petrol.



I don't think that they really think that they are going to get a share VP, as I said before it is a way of forcing the situation yet again. I don't agree with it though because we have played these games for long enough we need to show our real intentions and be honest in what we want. It is time to stop this embarrassing behaviour.


I agree totally either we are a separate state or we are not, if we start acting more like one then the world will take note, we should allow the property commission to function correctly and return property or pay compensation. Gcs should be allowed to live with us and then they to will start to demand that the isolation be lifted on the north as a way to reaching a level playing field.
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:29 am

Viewpoint wrote:
zan wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:money does not always mean wealth my friend, but if that is the way it will go then good luck to ya. Tho very sad for Cypriots as they would lose their identity and history,


Its the GCs who are trying to tap into their natural resources and make more money which is not bad thing imo but this whole argument of sharing raised by the TRNC is ridiculous, if that were the case then both sides should share all profits from natural resources. Its the TRNC that argues it is a state it shoudl act like one and ask for a level playing field rather than profits from unfound petrol.



I don't think that they really think that they are going to get a share VP, as I said before it is a way of forcing the situation yet again. I don't agree with it though because we have played these games for long enough we need to show our real intentions and be honest in what we want. It is time to stop this embarrassing behaviour.


I agree totally either we are a separate state or we are not, if we start acting more like one then the world will take note, we should allow the property commission to function correctly and return property or pay compensation. Gcs should be allowed to live with us and then they to will start to demand that the isolation be lifted on the north as a way to reaching a level playing field.



Again, totally agree. We need some dignified politicians on both sides.
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Postby humanist » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:41 am

I agree that those Greek Speaking Cypriots who wish to move back to their properties ought to be allowed to do so. Those who do not wish to return ought to be paid current value for their properties. Economic isolation lifted, Turkish troops out of Cyprus. The Brit's pay up for the years of rent unpaid on bases, that money can easily be out back into the rebuilding of Cypriot community for social cultural and educational development and not to meet the pockets of some. Whilst at it, move back to 1960 constitution with two states and I would go a step further to 1960's constitution would enable a worthy Turkish Cypriot to become President if their ideology and policies support those of all Cypriots no need to accept that a president will always will be Greek Speaking. Why not give someone else the opportunity if they are exceptional.
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