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[humanist]

Zan, I personally disagree with your argument. If there is a partition therefore two separate countries why should there be any sharing. If the example was set elsewhere for example why would Fiji share its oil findings with New Zeland, why would England share it's oil findings with Scoland?

I believe that DT covered it very well, lets end partition bring the people together and share the resources and the wealth.

[Viewpoint]

Come on guys we are making fools of ourselves, how can we claim any revenue on petrol found by the GC state "RoC" in their part of the sea as long as we claim to be the TRNC.

Has any petrol been found? what are we arguing over, these claims have been heard before.

[zan]

I reckon everyone must see this in the de facto sitiuation that exists right now. There is a de facto partition. The ROC has only effective control over the southern part of the island. The benefits from this natural resource will be made available to the government of the ROC to do with is as it sees fit in the territory it controls. After all I do not recall the TC's sharing the wealth everytime some piece of land in the north was sold. (both natural resources)

End the partition now, send the foreign troops away, join the republic and lets all share the wealth.

If this happened in Switzerland, Malta...etc they'd be all over this opportunity. Unfortunately we are Cypriots......and idiots.

There is another option DT and that is partition and a share of the oil. I am not trying to be argumentative here but as I see it this find will now cement Turkeys interests in the island and if there is a threat like there was before and there seems to have been for a long time then the oil will get left where it is and no one will benefit from it. Lets make no mistake there has been talk that oil is there for as long as I can remember why is it now that this is all coming to head. This is another attempt from the RoC to force the situation and another attempt from Turkey to stop it. We are just getting more of the same. I still see it as being the most dangerous point we have reached for a long time though.

Zan, with respect....what are you talking about?? You've still got people's homes over there and you expect a share from oil in the part of cyprus the turkish army left behind...without re-unification?

What I was trying to say is that we are at another impasse and the oil will not come out of the ground until there is a solution. There is a great chance of conflict any other way. When I say solution I mean this possible find changes nothing and only adds to the problem. The way I see it is the only way the oil will come out of the ground is if there is joint interest and that means a solution and that there are two possible solutions, well three really but one is just not going to happen. Those solutions are unification, partition or BBF and Turkey has already stated years ago that the oil issue is part of the solution. That is the way I understand it. Some of the guys here see this oil thing as being in favour of the RoCs hand but it has been around for a while and has been part of the problem. If any side decide to move on this without the other there will be conflict. This is not a threat by me but as I see it. Perhaps compensation is part of the deal, I don't know.

[DT.]

I reckon everyone must see this in the de facto sitiuation that exists right now. There is a de facto partition. The ROC has only effective control over the southern part of the island. The benefits from this natural resource will be made available to the government of the ROC to do with is as it sees fit in the territory it controls. After all I do not recall the TC's sharing the wealth everytime some piece of land in the north was sold. (both natural resources)

End the partition now, send the foreign troops away, join the republic and lets all share the wealth.

If this happened in Switzerland, Malta...etc they'd be all over this opportunity. Unfortunately we are Cypriots......and idiots.

There is another option DT and that is partition and a share of the oil. I am not trying to be argumentative here but as I see it this find will now cement Turkeys interests in the island and if there is a threat like there was before and there seems to have been for a long time then the oil will get left where it is and no one will benefit from it. Lets make no mistake there has been talk that oil is there for as long as I can remember why is it now that this is all coming to head. This is another attempt from the RoC to force the situation and another attempt from Turkey to stop it. We are just getting more of the same. I still see it as being the most dangerous point we have reached for a long time though.

Zan, with respect....what are you talking about?? You've still got people's homes over there and you expect a share from oil in the part of cyprus the turkish army left behind...without re-unification?

What I was trying to say is that we are at another impasse and the oil will not come out of the ground until there is a solution. There is a great chance of conflict any other way. When I say solution I mean this possible find changes nothing and only adds to the problem. The way I see it is the only way the oil will come out of the ground is if there is joint interest and that means a solution and that there are two possible solutions, well three really but one is just not going to happen. Those solutions are unification, partition or BBF and Turkey has already stated years ago that the oil issue is part of the solution. That is the way I understand it. Some of the guys here see this oil thing as being in favour of the RoCs hand but it has been around for a while and has been part of the problem. If any side decide to move on this without the other there will be conflict. This is not a threat by me but as I see it. Perhaps compensation is part of the deal, I don't know.[/quote

think this is far fetched Zan. The oil and gas has been confirmed as being there. The exclusive rights to our "plots" have been agreed with the neighbouring countries and the first exploratory drills will begin very soon. Are we to believe that turkey wll attack if we carry this out?

[zan]

Come on guys we are making fools of ourselves, how can we claim any revenue on petrol found by the GC state "RoC" in their part of the sea as long as we claim to be the TRNC.

Has any petrol been found? what are we arguing over, these claims have been heard before.

You are right VP


I have said that they can keep the lot but then Kifeas also wants to stick us in 18% of the island as well, I mean how petty.

[DT.]

Come on guys we are making fools of ourselves, how can we claim any revenue on petrol found by the GC state "RoC" in their part of the sea as long as we claim to be the TRNC.

Has any petrol been found? what are we arguing over, these claims have been heard before.

you're very correct.

[Pyrpolizer]

Like I said in other posts the fact is there is petrol. Egypt is ALREADY extracting gas. The Electricity authority of Cyprus is already building stations for liquified gas. Why do you think?

The estimated value of oil for CYPRUS is 400 billion dollars.This means $500,000 for each person living in the free areas.

Yes I agree this money will bring the solution. And the only solution is to negotiate return to the 1960 constitution in a form of a Cyprus having 2 major administrative districts, with full democratic and individual rights everywhere.

[Viewpoint]

If we want parititon then we should look for our own petrol.

[Pyrpolizer]

If we want parititon then we should look for our own petrol.

Just look? And what if there is nothing out there to "look" at you back

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

OH! I did not realise that Tpap had gone to confession and been absolved of all his sins.


Can any of you guys see past your Greek/Roman noses (Joke)? Tpap has signed a deal with several countries a few years back with out the consent of the TCs and you do not see that as an act of aggression. Dose the unlawful attempt of trying to change thirteen points in a constitution ring any bells???????

WELL GUESS WHAT!! Turkey kicked Greek Cypriots out of their homes and stole their houses a few years back without their consent either. Infact, Talat gives the go ahead on re-development on Greek Cypriot lands in the north without the consent of the owners!! First you want your own state born on ethnic cleansing and theivery, then you tell us you think we should share with you the natural resources found in our waters! A TYPICAL Turkish Cypriot ideology - you switch sides to whatever is convenient at that point in time.

My blood went cold when I heard what Talat said and to be honest with you I am trying not to think about it and maybe even bury my head in the sand because if there is anything that will bring about more hostilities it is this. You see it as a victory for the RoC but I see it as a dangerous point in our recent history. I hope you guys are still smirking when the bombs start to go off. Try to see where this amount of money is leading us too and forget the points you are trying to score against one another. This is dangerous folks.

hahaha...your trying to make the government of Cyprus feel guilty for not sharing its natural resources found in the southern waters of the island - but you constantly go on at wanting your own stolen state in the north and do not batter an eyelid with regards to some of the valuable Greek Cypriot real estate in the north that is stolen by Turkish Cypriots or their redevelopment.

You sound like a right spoiled and selfish arse.