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Who are we?

I am a TC and I live in Cyprus.
1
6%
I am a TC and I live abroad.
7
44%
I am a GC and I live in Cyprus.
3
19%
I am a GC and I live abroad.
2
13%
I am a settler and live in the northern part of Cyprus.
0
No votes
Both my parents were settlers but I was born in Cyprus.
0
No votes
I am a mainland Greek National living in Greece or abroad.
1
6%
I am a mainland Turkish National living in Turkey or abroad.
0
No votes
I am a foreigner, living in Cyprus or abroad.
2
13%
 
Total votes : 16

Postby erolz » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:12 am

MicAtCyp wrote:Erol it depends how you feel. Do you feel a TC or a British? In fact I had one last option "none of the above" but it seems the site got it out.
I will see if I can add it again


I feel like a human being. However I guess I would say I am more english that TC given that I was born in england, educated there and lived the majority of my life there and only speak english (not turkish to any degree). I still think my TC heritage is important to me and my self identity. My description of myself as half english (not british btw - britain is not a nation but a union of nations) and half TC is merely out of 'accuracy' rather than any sense of being (either).
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Postby Othellos » Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:30 am

insan wrote:Othellos use Greek Flag as his avatar in cypriana's corner(A discussion board which most of the participants are Greek). And the memebers of Cypriana's corner do know this board(I posted it there for several times). You may visit it to see how intense discussions take place upon Cyprus problem.


Yes, I do use a Greek Flag! As I have already explained, the problem is not the flags themselves but where and how you raise them. To the best of my knowlede I have not thrown anyone out of his house by placing a Greek flag next to my nickname in an online forum.

Here is the link to Cypriana's forum:

http://p205.ezboard.com/bcyprianascorner73624

Everyone is welcomed :)

There is even a chat room in there that we can use to talk "live" to each other. "Live" discussions are always better than posts, as any misunderstandings can clear up right away.

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Postby brother » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:42 pm

will be checking out the site for a chat. :D
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Postby Salmon » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:46 pm

MicAtCyp: GREAT question, through which it's pretty clear that those ethno-political categories don't match everyone's real-life histories and concerns.

I want to take Erol's question about who he 'is' (TC father and an English mother) as an opportunity to quote back what Alexandros offered in another thread as the "Greek Cypriot problems" with settlers in the north.

My contention is that most of his stated concerns about 'settlers' might well equally be raised about English ex-patriates living in the north. This is not to argue that the English should be shipped 'en masse' back to Kent, but to suggest that theoretical arguments based strictly on ethnicity run into problems when they meet 'facts on the ground'.

Alexandros wrote that 'Greek Cypriots' have the following concerns about 'settlers':


a. The fact that they were brought in deliberately by Turkey to alter the demographic balance of Cyprus and to "fill in the empty houses" left over from 1974. The 1974 events were traumatic in themselves, and the fact that settlers were then brought in was just rubbing salt into the wound.

....


b. The fact that they are living in Greek Cypriot homes. This is not an easy problem to resolve, even if you build new houses for them, because the new houses will most probably also be on Greek Cypriot land.

[With regard to points a. and b., have any of you visited 'Karmi' lately? It's a bastion of English culture, and the English have been welcomed for decades with open arms by the Denktas regime, both for their capital and for the warm bodies occupying 'empty' houses].

....


c. The fear that the settlers will amount to a separate political force, through which Turkey will influence Cypriot politics. Many of the settlers are ex-army officers who were then granted citizenship, and not poor anatolian villagers ... many of these have an outlook on life that is strictly kemalist, with a view to maintaining ethnic purity and separation of Turks from Greeks in Cyprus. Would they be helpful after a solution?

[Arguably more English ex-military in the north of the island than Turkish, not strictly 'Kemalist' but many with their nest-eggs in the Denktas basket and their hands in his pockets, and savvy about the benefits of international political lobbies]

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d. The fear that, after a solution, the settlers (or at least a proportion of them) will not be sufficiently socially integrated.

[Imperial nostalgia dies hard, and the English military class is notoriously hard to integrate]
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Personally, I have visited the north quite a few times, and met quite a lot of settlers. Some of them I found perfectly agreeable, simple, hard-working people who have integrated succesfully into society. There were others, however, who I found scary: People who had nothing to do with Cypriot culture, with radical islamist tendencies, hard and withdrawn from what was going on around them ...

[Well, maybe 'radical Church of England tendencies', but the 'hardness' and 'withdrawal' are certainly visible in some quarters]


This is what happens when you just put people in ships and tell them, go to Cyprus, you will all get free houses there. Ghettos tend to develop. And ghettos are a source of all sorts of problems.

[yes indeed] :wink:
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Postby MicAtCyp » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:48 pm

Although I made it clear in my introductory post that what I want to know is who are we in THIS FORUM, the majority of the responses, seem that I want to make I Pan-cyprian census.
No you guys!
Anyway it seems so far the majority of participants are TCs! And All of them except one live abroad!
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Postby magikthrill » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:05 pm

I am from the GC motherland. You all bow to Athens!!!!

lol yeah right. im sorry im just being an idiot. my mom is from the occupied part of Cyprus (near Gialousa) and my dad is from western greece (Nafpaktos / Lepanto).

I grew up in ny for a few years and moved to athens at the age of 8. now i am studying till december in the states but cant wait to go back home.

the Cyprus issue is important to me not because I'm Greek but because my mom is Cypriot. however, if Turkey never invaded CYprus then my parents would have never been born and I wouldnt exist. Kinda makes you wonder, huh?
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Postby Salmon » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:07 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:Although I made it clear in my introductory post that what I want to know is who are we in THIS FORUM, the majority of the responses, seem that I want to make I Pan-cyprian census.
No you guys!
Anyway it seems so far the majority of participants are TCs! And All of them except one live abroad!


All we learn from this poll is who is into responding to polls, not who's in the forum. It's still a good question you raise, "Who are we?". Well, we're at least people who share a concern about the future of the island, and who want to talk about it (might even say *need* to talk about it, considering the volume of traffic) ....

I'm not sure what you're refusing when you say "No you guys". What do you mean?
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