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[shahmaran]

Shit I messed up with another crazy woman.

[miltiades]

Lena thanks for the comment.

You are welcome!!

picture it is of Ataturk.

And thanks for letting me know!!! To be honest I didn’t know that!

Ok my dear Pyrpolizer….

Listen mam, that photo shows clearly a devotion/passion/total commitment a right from the eye to the heart reflection of an image. It shows clearly a person looking up, propably on a flag pole.

It has nothing to do with what you thought, it has nothing to do with whatever message you might have wanted to pass. A person looking at the monstrosity on pendadaktylos looks on straight line, and gets a bluish reflection not a clear red one, not to mention the million more reasons your avatar is TOTALLY rubbish unless you are a TURK. I said you must be a TURK to spin your little brain a bit, and not only I falied, you called me an idiot on top of it. If you think I cannot curse try me once more.

A course in arts appreciation and understanding will do you good.

Because you are an ignorant, who does not even know how to pass her messages.

If you really wanted just to let me know about my avatar you could do that, since you knew that I am GC from our previous conversation, you could do that in a nice and calm way like Zan did!! No you just wanted to offended me and laugh with me with your sarcastic question…”Something happened while you were turning the baby machines on”

You know what … I am fed up with you and your ideas…I lost my interest before years about the Cyprus problem and the solution from people like you! From people who think that they know everything, they can judge everyone, nothing is good for them and nothing is right! When I came to the forum I started reading this section and I really liked it because you can see lots of opinion and arguments…But know…thanks to you I start loosing my interest again. You always defend what you are saying be giving links, facts and everything…I like that and I respect that…but lets see what exactly you are saying…

You judge everyone here...you Mr perfect???

You are the patriot….

I do a better job than them in promoting partition

Which means…

You are a declared partitionist, which means you support the grabbing and keeping of other peoples homes and lands, and their ethnic cleansing.

But I don’t understand…a patriot cross the borders and show his passport to the enemy just to go around his own country????

Ha,ha, ha. Slowly but steadily you reveal what is really behind your partitionist views. Land! Stolen land!

Anyway if that would make you feel better the land in north of Nicosia was traditionally owned by the TCs. What was not TC owned was in 1960 bought by Kucuk using the money he got from the British in settlement of some areas in Varoshia. There is some very little land some of it belonging to GCs some to TCs in the buffer zone though. I think the buffer zone there is only one street wide.

I personally wouldn't mind signing somewhere my name and telephone even my ID number in case something happens to me and get lost or something. But to be controlled as if I enter a foreign country for me it is preposterous.

They just want a showroom to advertise their pseudo state and pseudo flags nothing else. And some victims to show them passports or Identity cards so they issue them VISAS for their OWN COUNTRY.

And those are your words…

You are farting as usual.
Yes i cross VERY FREQUENTLY AND I KNOW VERY WELL WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Go at the checkpoint and ask to see the VISA your pseudo gives to the Greek Cypriots.

Well I am not a permanent resident there but I did see with my own eyes a construction site having 3 such camps each one having about 70 persons.

But…as you said…

Continue with your illegalities, and be free to self isolate yourselves for eternity if you like.

You also went to Turkey…the mother land of our enemies…

Even the Turks in Constantinople/Istanbul call you "british bastards" I ve been there and I know.

one told me I am not as handsome as the Greeks, I am as ugly as the Turks, because I am from Cyprus.

Nothing is right for you…Greece…Turkey…America…politicians…and all the TCs…

Your hate for anything Greek has no limits.

I am not Greek, I am a Greek Cypriot. I hate many things on the mainland Greeks, and I would never want my country to become a district of Greece.

Can you honestly say the same things for Turkey?

In this fighting Greece did its part using paramilitary as well as state forces (Grivas, ex-Eokas etc) Turkey used the TC villagers by arming them and creating a situation of numerous small states within a state that would later unite to create partition. This is the situation in which innocent TC people were killed between 1963 and 1967. Generally the TCs suffered more during that period, but certainly they were not so innocent themselves either.
The 1974 invasion was simply the completion of what was left incomplete by Turkey in 1968.

Furthermore in reality Cyprus importance to Greece was a) to expand b) suround Turkey and for Turkey a) To expand in the sea b) To protect her southern shores from been surrounded by Greece. The Canal was the last parameter EVER in the concerns of those 2 Countries.

An officially recognised divided island would mean both Greece and Turkey would have TOTAL control of a part of the island. The Americans said that multiple times: "they will never accept an officially divided island.

Propably Papadopoulos will also publish a book one day.Make no mistake it will contain only 2 lines.
The Anan plan was bad.
The EU leverage was a failure.

Klerides should look at his own catastrophies first:
a)He role in the coup was dark, but shined after he housed in his Party all the Eoka Bs.
b)During his presidency he decorated honoured and promoted the 72 policemen who took part in the coup. (which according to the TCs was aiming at annihilating them)
c)For 10 years he worked behind our backs, with all sorts of lies and promises (remember the S300 missiles he would turn against Turkey) and he finally brough us our death sentense on a paper called Anan Plan.

Go to hell Klerides & Co.

There is absolutely no problem in our contacts with TCs. The TCs in this forum are not representative of the local TCs. I would say we talk very friendly with them. I met absolutely no-one who does not want to re-unite with the GCs. (Contrary to this forum where the majority of TCs want partition). They want to re-unite with us to throw away the settlers and the Turkish Army.

They all hate Papadopoulos too.
They believe he doesn't help them and he doesn't understand them. They feel trapped on one side are the settlers and the Turkish army on the other side it is Papadopoulos who doesn't want them. That's what they feel anyway. They are actually desparate.

Well I believe Miltiades has a point in that we have to side by the strong and influencial of this world and these are certainly the Anglo-Americans. The problem for us is that Turkey too sides by them. We already know that such a monolithic policy will lead us to catastrophy. Because when it comes to vital matters the Anglo-Americans would side by Turkey. They already did it, they are still doing it.

What I totally disagree is that aligning with them should also mean applauding everything they do. Applauses don’t serve any purpose. Especially for such things like the Iraq war. Our support to them should be limited to the point we don’t become their "direct" enemy

Modern day policy is a multible board game. We should side by many. On one occasion the Americans will help us, on another the Russians, on another the EU, and so on.

Remember: Who saved us from Coffee-Ananas revenge proposal to the security council after we rejected his monstrosity? Was it the Americans?

Sometimes I am not able to understand things…will you explain me??? You said that TCs are not our brothers are our enemies…and we do not have any common with them…is that true???

Because it is more than obvious that the majority of those we consider "brothers" they consider us "enemies". There is absolutely no common goal.

The merits of the TCs over the GCs and vice versa.

Here’s a title that came to my mind to brake the monotony.
Please talk only for the MERITS of the other community, as you experienced. If you have no experience then write what you think. But only for the merits please. And please try to justify your opinion.

To start the Engine: I am a GC and I will talk about the TCs.

a) The TCs never lived under any conqueror. In this respect they never needed to develop the cunning techniques, the intrique, the underground mentality, the "playing friends" of the GCs. They are absolutely straight both with their friendships as well as with those they don’t like. And they never change their minds.

b) They learn from childhood to keep their mouth shut, and keep a low profile. For a GC someone who does not reply, is automatically wrong, thus makes him feel right. Therefore for the GCs silence is a sign of weakness. For the TCs it’s a sign of strength. However when the TC cannot hold no more bursts up violently.

c) The TCs (like the Turks in general) have a sense of pride unexplainable to the GCs. This derives from A above. For a Gc it is not a big deal to exchange some of his "pride" for something more useful. For the Turks and Tcs "pride" is not exchangeable with anything.

d) The Tcs abide to authority. The Gcs rebel.

e) Because of the above the Tcs have much more unity between them. It is very rare for a Tc to oppose his own kind, and even when they do, they do it mildly. Quite the opposite for the GCs

f) The majority of TCs do good (or bad) to their fellowman judging by their concience. The majority of GCs do the same judging by what their relegion says, and they forget relegion when it comes to do bad.

And finally please excuse a widespread joke even if it brakes my code a bit.

g) The Turks are 70 million stupids. They find a clever one among them and make him their leader. The Greeks are 12 million clevers. They find an idiot among them and make him their leader.



The GCs/Tcs oscillate between the two.

You talk about assimilation with GCs as if it is a bad thing.

And half the GCs are bastardised Turks as well.

Why mrfromng. Do you exclude the possibility we are brothers?
Or two identical CYPRIOTS one speaking Greek and the other Turkish?

No…wait … I am confused now…what???

The GCs and Tcs are very similar in hundreds of ways and they lived together for centuries, revolted together against the Ottoman Pashas, went on strikes together as simple workers in the mines during the British era.. The vast majority of them are looking forward to a solution in which they will live together, yes. So your assumption is wrong.

First of all what do you mean "people of the trnc" and "Greeks" Are you trying to impose new terms here? The truth is the TCs are not sure whether to trust the GCs because of the events of the 60s. In any case they are willing to try and built trust together with the GCs in a United Cyprus. For your information the TCs dont trust Turkey to unite with either, and thats definite. And there is nothing they are willing to try with Turkey that would make them trust it. If they are ever forced to unite with Turkey they will all pack and abandon the place.

Oh … Ok ..I am fine now…

I personally do associate with TCs locally. It is obvious that all those TCs who accept to associate with us belong to just a minority group among the real TC people. The fact that in addition to the real TC people there is an equally large group of settlers, all of which want taksim, makes this minority group of real TCs even less signifigant and weak….

In my opinion it is a waste of time even talking with these people. All they want is to legalise the results of the invasion, grab our lands and properties, embed our ethnic cleansing from our ancestral lands, in a lets say "civilised and friendly" agreement.

I say to all of them:

GET LOST!

I say to all of them:

FROM TODAY ON, WE WILL WORK AGAINST YOU UNTIL YOU ROT IN YOUR PSEUDO AND UNTIL YOU ABANDON YOUR TAKSIM DREAMS.

Am completely stupid…I don’t understand any of this…

????????

And we have to kick them out of our land…

The properties remain properties of those who are the REAL owners. The users of the properties remain users of the properties either through exchange or through buying or through renting or through any other agreement the individuals end up with. Everybody is allowed to live anywhere he likes, even return to his own village and arrange his residence as per above conditions.

Hmmm….????

The situation is not getting complicated it is actually straightened out.
Who can ever refuse anyones right on his property, either be him TC or GC.

On the other hand who gave any TC or GC the right to live on someone elses property without the permission of the owner?

I say to all the GC people wake up!

We do not have a friendly and brotherly TC community to deal with.

These people will accept nothing but a genuine or disguised partition, a legalising of the grabbing they already did on our lands and properties, and our ethnic cleansing.

Wake up! All we have in front of us is a REAL ENEMY.

I keep on looking on the various discussions here for "unity" and all that stuff and makes me wonder, are we the GCs so much mislead?

Is this thing moving or am I feeling dizzy??

Anyway the way I see things is unless this mentality changes there is absolutely no way for the Cyprus problem to be solved. There is going to be an economic war during which they will be paying day in day out.

UNTIL THEY ROT.

Ok!!!!! What ever you say…I trust you!!!!

But who is the enemy…???

Cype in case you haven't realised it yet we are already at a stage they consider us enemies. It is us who got so self brainwashed to think of the opposite.

TCs…or…GCs ???

What about GCs…do you like them???? Do you like anyone???


LENA , What was this all about baby.

This is another evidence of how the GC people are brainwashed en mass by their own leaders be it the politicians or the church or whoever. Yeah right, the enemy is Ankara alone, the TC "brothers" have nothing to do with it. It is not them who joined the invading mehmetchiks in 1974 stubbing us in the back while their mehmechik brothers were throwing us napalm bombs. It is not those "fighters" who got points to share the loot of our lands and properties.

Nothing to do with their still ALIVE AND KICKING dream for taksim, for the grabbing of our lands and properties and our ethnic cleansing.

The Archibishop as well as all the GCs MUST WAKE UP!

But we know very well how to silence the idiots among us. Time you to learn to do the same.

I do the same to GCs who deserve it. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. It seems you forgot when I stood by you. Yeap, I fire at everyone who deserves it. That’s why they call me Pyr.

I asked you to give me your suggestions for the solution…here few of your ideas…

I beleive the reason why the Cyprus problem is not solved is because there is too much divergence among the TCs themselves as to what they want. It is not like the Gcs who more or less all want the same thing.
Among the TCs there are the partitionists (hell they dominate this forum simply because this forum is in ENGLISH) They Most UK TC expats ARE PARTITIONISTS. There is a 5% minority that wants unitary state and return to Roc, there are others who want a true BBF as what the GCs want, and there are others who want confederation. Most settlers want the status quo or partition. The problem with the TCs is that partitionists+Confederationists is more than 50%. Perhaps they need some time to realise there is no way the GCs will accept either partition or confederation.

So you are now implying me terms on what type of solution I should aspire to? Dont you think you are the last person in the world to ask me this?
Just for your information I would gladly discuss with a TC the type of solution I want (and I did so many times) as long as you keep your red British nose out of it.

Sorry I am not a TC or British…so you could give me a clear answer right…??

Well Ken910, I am not a person who mourns, I am a person who takes action.

We can strangle them economically, we can strangle them politically and legally. This is what we have to concentrate from now on. This is another type of WAR.

Lets see who will mourn more in this war.

And since you are the patriot…you have the solution…you are awake…you are a man of action…what have you done until now…to solve this problem…except your vote and your posts here…???

I haven't spoken for war-war because it is not an option for anyone for the time being.

As for the economic war I do have concrete proposals to make:

a) Replace all the TCs who now cross for work with European cheap labour.
b)Mark all the products coming from the occupied to our market so that every GC knows where they come from and nobody buys them.
c)Build a few cazinos in the free areas to absorb those idiots who go in the occupied and feed the pseudo with billions.

Ok I will respect that too…!!! But I still hear words…

You ask from all of us to show respect…

his comedian scotseza hating greeks, hating turks, hating Cypriots, hating everyone, cursing and shouting endlessly.

I advice all the newbies of the forum to show respect and sympathy to mrfromng as he is one of the most pure TC hearts in here, and is a person who suffered. If he ever says something a bit out of line, well, show some understanding and shut your mouths.

I do…but do you do that…?? Or you judge everyone and everything???

The Dreamer from England who does not even speak Turkish is absolutely certain he is a little from all of them.

In my opinion you will die looking around for your identity.

I look around me at the NC the most lousy of us just gather around the flag on the hill breathing Greek oxygen in the evenings ,shouting their asses out for our GREEKNESS in voices called VP, Zan, and Shah. Some of us, lousy chicks, just stay behind thinking and thinking and thinking something ain’t right. Some of those called Birk and Kikapu dare come and explain us, yet we don’t want to hear nothing. We tell them look at the Great Greek flag that saved us breath the Greek oxygen around you, and feel happy like we do. One day our NC country will become known in Japan, and every little Japanese boy will be talking about us.

Oh, what a lovely feeling to be a GREEK in Ortakoyu NC.

As you said you are perfect….

It's like telling me to teach hyberbolic functions to someone who does not even know to count upto 100.

Not that you are much better but anyway.

Do you believe that all the humans are equal without exception??? Are you a racist?

We in fact treat second class citizens like second class. The uneducated GCs, the ilegal foreign workers, the heroin adicted Pontians etc etc are all treated like second class not because they are minority but because they are in fact second class.The Armenians the Latins and Maronites they are minorities too, nobody treats them like second class.In fact the most successful first class people living in RoC are some very tiny minorities like the Lebanese, the Russians etc.

So if the Tcs are second class they will be treated like second class. I guarantee you most of the settlers will be treated like second class if they stay here. (Btw how do you the TCs treat the settlers-do you treat them like first class?)

A sexists???

So my friend "balls" today don't count. What counts is money, weaponry, technology, allies, and of course OIL.

So even women can do lots of things…

all you have to do - i suppose you are a woman- is make some more children to help our defense if and when necessary.

What…??? What else??

Yes your duty as a woman is to provide your nation with manpower to secure its physical continuation.

Hmmm…just that!!!! Ok … if you say so…and you offered me shahmaran to create the future CYPRIOTS…

I know. Using shahmaran to power you on.

Let me see do I have to add anything else…??

I thought I was clear but its seems to me that I wasnt...or we have a problem with communication here. You did not ask my opinion or what are my suggestions.
I am not playing the Snow White's step-mother or praying to God to solve the Cyprus problem. But I keep reading your posts and it seems to me that you do not like anything and you ask from GCs to take measures. Ok I am a GC and I want to see my country free on day. But I asked from you to tell me your opinion...your solution...and you advised me to make some more children. And I really wander why...??? Are you willing to wait more 20 years until my babies grow up? Or do you mean that if we try to make more GCs we are going to save our country? Or you wanted to tell me that if we have more dead babies we are going to bring salvation to the island? Really am trying to understand here...but you was not a big help for me. Or is it because I am female?

Nop…I think its ok!!!

Did you see that in your Crystal ball again? Sleep uneasy.
Man get away from that thing. It harms your health.

But believe me in some points you are so right….(especially in those 3)…

I am sick and tired of people like you.

I can't understand a single phrase from what he says. I can only sense his or her hate. Nothing more...

A man with principles keeps the same principles on all occasions. He does not once use a cotton wool rope, then a real one, then interchanges the ropes on other people etc etc.

Ok now that I clear few issue up…

Everything looks bright and shining. Stop crying. Today is a lovely day. More will come soon.

But because I was quite busy last night…and I had to do that too…am going for a nap..

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Anybody looking for the definition of sweet dreams?

Good night. My job is not to care for the mentally disturbed. Sorry.

I think I will revert back to my way of """"""""""""

[miltiades]

Sorry about that but as you can see you CAN'T teach an old dog new tricks !

[Pyrpolizer]

Shit I messed up with another crazy woman.

I think I'd better go find a hole to hide. I see broom sticks coming next.

[Simon]

[LENA]

Shit I messed up with another crazy woman.

I am not willing to spend my time again for you!!! Its was more than for what you worth!!! My point was clear!!! So keep laughing!!!!

[LENA]

Sorry about that but as you can see you CAN'T teach an old dog new tricks !

Well done Miltiades!!!!! I saw that you learn to do it in your posts ...and you shouldn't mention my pm... dont worry!!!

[LENA]

Shit I messed up with another crazy woman.

I think I'd better go find a hole to hide. I see broom sticks coming next.

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[Pyrpolizer]

Alright Lena mou, You are right I am a dump ass. I should have listen earlier my son Shah who said I messed up really bad with you, and I should have cleared this thing up the soonest possible. Hey this young generation is sometimes much wiser than us, this makes me glad actually….

I had to think of this again, I mean why a person would spend 3 hours trying to expose me, and I concluded you must have been terribly hurt from what I said. That made me feel really sorry, I am not a person who likes to see other people sad. Yes I confront many people very harshly in this forum, I should be more careful with sensitive persons like yourself my dear Lady.

I thus bow and kiss your hand with respect and love my flower, asking for your pardon.

NB1. Please if you want to pull my ears don’t pull the left one, as that one is permanently swallowed from other pulls for as long as I remember. Pull me the right one. As you can see nobody is perfect, and surely I am not Mr … Perfect.
NB2. We have some more Ladies in this forum, Mrs Andry, Mrs Natty, Mrs Svetlana, I am sure you will not feel lonely in here.

[zan]

OH!OH! I can see more pain coming your way.......