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[shahmaran]

most of thoose were directed to Miltiades Lena i wasnt talking about the GC nation, read it again.

And im sorry that you had to be brought up with such horror stories Lena, it must have been awefull, i also happen to share my garden with an army base, were the soldiers always come to my side and steal my fruits, so i know what devastating effects that can have on a childs upbringing, its just wrong!

But hey at least you can look forward to a very prosperous life in the south, while TC either have to flee the island or sit around in "gahves" playing backgammon all day watching their youth rot away, if they are not in the army already. But hey at least we dont get all those horror stories and live in paranoia that some day GCs might return to finish the job.

You should visit the north more often Lena...

[LENA]

But hey at least you can look forward to a very prosperous life in the south, while TC either have to flee the island or sit around in "gahves" playing backgammon all day watching their youth rot away, if they are not in the army already. But hey at least we dont get all those horror stories and live in paranoia that some day GCs might return to finish the job.

You should visit the north more often Lena...

You talk like that because you dont a clue whats going on in south Cyprus...thats for sure!

And I will when I will be able to visit the north without any passports!!! When I wil be able to drive there without any army which search my car I might come to drink a coffee with you!!

[shahmaran]

Yes Lena, afterall i only live there

Youy can visit north with an ID i thought and its the police that do the searching, we dont live in tha Gaza strip you know but as you wish, my invitation is always open

[LENA]

But hey at least you can look forward to a very prosperous life in the south, while TC either have to flee the island or sit around in "gahves" playing backgammon all day watching their youth rot away, if they are not in the army already. But hey at least we dont get all those horror stories and live in paranoia that some day GCs might return to finish the job.

Really I dont understand...you said that the Universities in the north are fully recognised and one of the top Turkish Universities has opened up a branch there too. Can you tell me how that give us a privilege with one state University and lots of colleges which are not all of them recognised and only the 4-5 biggest can be accepted by UK or USA Universities??? So we have to flee the island too. Lots of our graduates study in Greece! And all the male have to go to the army for 2 - 2,5 years. Its not optional for them. And we grow up with this stories not because we are crazy fanatic people who want to grow up the future patriots but because you must know how many times the Turkish arrest GC!!

[shahmaran]

Well your advantege is that you can come to the UK for example and study as an EU citizen for nearly 1/7th of the money the TCs would have to pay, which hardly any of them can ever afford, and that is not including the living expenses.

Now i do not know the inner workings of the GC universities but i assume that their recognition has hardly got anything to do with the conflict, rather about the quality of the education they provide.

Altho TRNC is very small, we already have 5 or 6 different unversities, 1 being an American university, and most of them having LOTS of foreign students from countries like Bangladesh, India, Jamaica, China, Iran, Saudi, and some African countries, i dont exactly know how many of these universities are actually recognised abroad but you do see that being isolated is not THAT bad, we are still more prosperous than some of the other "recognized and real" nations around the globe, people actually LEAVE their lands from the other side of the globe to live in the TRNC

...and i dont know which fool suggested somewhere here that they all have to get Turkish names to become citizens, but thats absolute shite, its not even true for Turkey.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

yeah everything you have said would make sense IF you only looked at the events (that you have sooo carefully examined) from 74 and on, but that is not the case on my side of the island my friend, so i suggest you try to see things from either perspective before you start launching cheap and discreat little insults at me, because that just shows that you do really need a drink...

Obviosuly you didnt read what I had written or you are trying to sidestep what I have written and make up stuff like I was only talkin about 1974 onwards.

on the other hand, if the TCs had been given the chance to start a new life like the GCs, who knows maybe they would have been a lot more keen for a reunification, pushing them into giving back the properties by suffocating their freedom is not the best way to get youre crap back.

Well maybe you should blame the Turkish army and government of that era with regards to why they wanted to force TC's into a racially segregated part of the island with no regards to living conditions or international law. Your playing the victim card again which loses you credibility just like claiming TC's were victims of genocide loses you credibility.

But for me personally, i did not live the conflict, i just live the consequences of it and to be honest i couldnt care less about your property nor you ex-village, i didnt take it from you, but if thats the attitude i am being treated with then screw unifying with such people, im happy to continue living as i have been my whole life, and the most i will do is just moan about it once in a while...

You may have not stolen it from me personally but you are advocating keeping it from me.

Are you upset because you have been treated with a realistic attitude?? That I have questioned why you and many in your community are afraid of the truth and proven facts?? That I have questioned Turkish and Turkish Cypriot denialism and propaganda??

Are you comfertable being blatently ignorant?

Please answer with an inteligent response and not "but before 1974 blah blah blah".

[LENA]

Well your advantege is that you can come to the UK for example and study as an EU citizen for nearly 1/7th of the money the TCs would have to pay, which hardly any of them can ever afford, and that is not including the living expenses.

Now i do not know the inner workings of the GC universities but i assume that their recognition has hardly got anything to do with the conflict, rather about the quality of the education they provide.

Altho TRNC is very small, we already have 5 or 6 different universities, 1 being an American university, and most of them having LOTS of foreign students from countries like Bangladesh, India, Jamaica, China, Iran, Saudi, and some African countries, i dont exactly know how many of these universities are actually recognised abroad but you do see that being isolated is not THAT bad, we are still more prosperous than some of the other "recognized and real" nations around the globe, people actually LEAVE their lands from the other side of the globe to live in the TRNC

...and i dont know which fool suggested somewhere here that they all have to get Turkish names to become citizens, but thats absolute shite, its not even true for Turkey.

Come on...I told you...you are dancing here..."you are still more prosperous than some other "recognized and real nation"???? So why all this arguments? We are saying the same thing...that even that you want to present yourself us the unhappy people of this case...you are saying with your own words that this is not so true... because you have 6 Universities that you actually dont have to pay for all this expenses...but we do...even in Greece we have to pay for the living cost, flight tickets etc...!!!
And just to let you know the recognition have to do with the quality...thats why UK Universities accept students from colleges!
And I dont thing that if it was that miserable as you want to present it, people from the other side of the globe was going to leave their countries to come to the north side of the island as you said!

[shahmaran]

my god! snake im sorry but you are full of it, talk about sidestepping, all you do is keep pushing the same incompetent views mixed with some insults, so its hard to take you seriously, you keep acting like nothing happened before 74 and that we should all feel really really bad for the GC loss, and if we dont then that means we are blatently ignorant?!?! what planet do you come from? well guess what i DONT want to hear about your god damn property either, so if you want unification then come up with a better plan because this one is not going to work.

yes there was violence from both sides but if Turkey hadnt intervened we would have lost the war, so there is no TC alive today that regrets getting Turkey involved, maybe we are ALL ignorant and you are the only genious around here i dont know its possible.....

so i suggest YOU put an intelligent response and stop going on about how much superiour your knowledge is compared to ALL the TURKS, because so far your claims have been nothing short of ridiculous.



and you Lena i think you cant read, i say its about quality you say NO its about quality, and you keep doing this everytime but its getting rather frustrating now (no offence), either you cant read or you are too excited to write a retaliative response, so you dont bother reading properly, you have compleatly mixed everything up i have said so far, so please check you answer.

[LENA]

and you Lena i think you cant read, i say its about quality you say NO its about quality, and you keep doing this everytime but its getting rather frustrating now (no offence), either you cant read or you are too excited to write a retaliative response, so you dont bother reading properly, you have compleatly mixed everything up i have said so far, so please check you answer.

...and recently one of the top Turkish universities has opened up a branch there too, just near Morphou (Middle Eastern Technical University)

Degrees obtained from our universities are recognized in the UK and the USA, many of our students go abroad to do masters at univerisites in these countries using their degree from TRNC unis.

You said that you have quality...even one of the best Turkish Uni...Ok what did I misunderstood again...sorry I was out for drinks...that might affect my comprehension....If its not too frustrating for you will you explain me again?

[shahmaran]

sorry, just read it when you are sobre!