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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:00 am

shahmaran wrote:on the other hand, if the TCs had been given the chance to start a new life like the GCs, who knows maybe they would have been a lot more keen for a reunification, pushing them into giving back the properties by suffocating their freedom is not the best way to get youre crap back.

But for me personally, i did not live the conflict, i just live the consequences of it and to be honest i couldn't care less about your property nor you ex-village, i didnt take it from you, but if thats the attitude i am being treated with then screw unifying with such people, im happy to continue living as i have been my whole life, and the most i will do is just moan about it once in a while...


From your very first post you laid your credentials on the table ,you are a young vulgar uneducated and insensitive individual , I called you then a piss artist and a punk ,having arrived at this conclusion early on , you have contributed absolutely nothing that one could say was instrumental in building bridges of reconciliation for the sake of future generations of Cypriots that you with your warped ideology have sentenced to a life of constant fear of conflict. There again , as you often said , you will emerge victorious and fuck the thousands of Cypriots whose life would have been lost. Just examine my ideology with yours.
1. You and all other Cypriots are my compatriots with whom I want to live in peace as equal citizens in our country.
2.My vision to see a T/C as President of a united Cyprus is based on the hypothesis that should a political party embracing all Cypriots (British Labour Party ) be elected by the people to power with a T/C as the leader , then Cyprus would have turned a new bright leaf in its history , a government made up by Cypriots working for Cyprus.
3. I see no minorities or majorities , only Cypriots.
4. I have expressed my sadness that so many of our young people lost their lives in a conflict orchestrated mainly by misguided nationalistic fanatics whose allegiance was not to Cyprus but to their perceived "motherlands "
Try and rethink your position but do consider the future generations , the very young and innocent growing up now.
I have one only Grandchild , a 3 year old girl living in Cyprus , she is NO different from a 3 year old T/C boy or girl living in Kyrenia. Children are mentally raped by their "society " parents aunts and uncles , just as you were , and the vicious circle continues until a brave new ideology appears and discredits the inflammatory propaganda that causes so much pain and anguish.
Use your brain and think before you answer with your usual bravado .
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Postby pitsilos » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:03 am

shahmaran wrote:no one is blaimng all the GCs for what happened, but ALL the TCs are still paying the price for the actions of those few GC "fuckheads" and on top of that we are being told that it was our fault!

can you not see the sickening twist in the chain of these events?

new generations of TCs are born into this conflict still paying the price, while GC kids just have to hear a few horror stories about their lost properties and old villages.

i wonder what exactly does a man have to do, to no be a part of this ridiculously unfair part of Cypriot history, without having to desert his own country...so please dont tell me about justification my friend...


mate i said fuckheads from both sites. and for 30 years who kept the crossings shut, and kept you isolated? this is the question you should be asking.
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Postby LENA » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:16 am

miltiades wrote:I have one only Grandchild , a 3 year old girl living in Cyprus , she is NO different from a 3 year old T/C boy or girl living in Kyrenia. Children are mentally raped by their "society " parents aunts and uncles , just as you were , and the vicious circle continues until a brave new ideology appears and discredits the inflammatory propaganda that causes so much pain and anguish..


I would like to add school on that too miltiades!!!
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Postby zan » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:43 pm

miltiades wrote:
shahmaran wrote:on the other hand, if the TCs had been given the chance to start a new life like the GCs, who knows maybe they would have been a lot more keen for a reunification, pushing them into giving back the properties by suffocating their freedom is not the best way to get youre crap back.

But for me personally, i did not live the conflict, i just live the consequences of it and to be honest i couldn't care less about your property nor you ex-village, i didnt take it from you, but if thats the attitude i am being treated with then screw unifying with such people, im happy to continue living as i have been my whole life, and the most i will do is just moan about it once in a while...


From your very first post you laid your credentials on the table ,you are a young vulgar uneducated and insensitive individual , I called you then a piss artist and a punk ,having arrived at this conclusion early on , you have contributed absolutely nothing that one could say was instrumental in building bridges of reconciliation for the sake of future generations of Cypriots that you with your warped ideology have sentenced to a life of constant fear of conflict. There again , as you often said , you will emerge victorious and fuck the thousands of Cypriots whose life would have been lost. Just examine my ideology with yours.
1. You and all other Cypriots are my compatriots with whom I want to live in peace as equal citizens in our country.
2.My vision to see a T/C as President of a united Cyprus is based on the hypothesis that should a political party embracing all Cypriots (British Labour Party ) be elected by the people to power with a T/C as the leader , then Cyprus would have turned a new bright leaf in its history , a government made up by Cypriots working for Cyprus.
3. I see no minorities or majorities , only Cypriots.
4. I have expressed my sadness that so many of our young people lost their lives in a conflict orchestrated mainly by misguided nationalistic fanatics whose allegiance was not to Cyprus but to their perceived "motherlands "
Try and rethink your position but do consider the future generations , the very young and innocent growing up now.
I have one only Grandchild , a 3 year old girl living in Cyprus , she is NO different from a 3 year old T/C boy or girl living in Kyrenia. Children are mentally raped by their "society " parents aunts and uncles , just as you were , and the vicious circle continues until a brave new ideology appears and discredits the inflammatory propaganda that causes so much pain and anguish.
Use your brain and think before you answer with your usual bravado .



Now tell him what reunification really entails and leave out the morals of the story. If you constantly leave out the practicalities of this situation then you will never be taken seriously. :roll:
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:05 pm

LENA wrote:You know the most decent thing to do when you do not know is to close your mouth!

I dont know if its true (because I had never been there)but they told me that they change few things around Kerynia port just to improve the area for tourists. And I know that lots of Casinos exist...I do you believe that all those was built before 1974??


with all due respect LEna maybe you should take some of your own advice...

i am from TRNC, and i dont think peace will ever come by force, it just doest work that way unfortunately.....
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Postby LENA » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:25 pm

shahmaran wrote:
LENA wrote:You know the most decent thing to do when you do not know is to close your mouth!

I dont know if its true (because I had never been there)but they told me that they change few things around Kerynia port just to improve the area for tourists. And I know that lots of Casinos exist...I do you believe that all those was built before 1974??


with all due respect LEna maybe you should take some of your own advice...

i am from TRNC, and i dont think peace will ever come by force, it just doest work that way unfortunately.....


Ok as I said I dont know about Kerynia...but I do know about casino and the rest of the things that I wrote to you. So you are the same with Pyros!!! :( Too bad! He said the same thing to me the other day if you remember well. He said that he don't believe that the war with guns is the solution but we have to fight with a different kind of war. You know he is so right. I completely agree with him. But not on this subject on his comment that TCs and GCc have so many similarities!!!
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:31 pm

miltiades wrote:
shahmaran wrote:on the other hand, if the TCs had been given the chance to start a new life like the GCs, who knows maybe they would have been a lot more keen for a reunification, pushing them into giving back the properties by suffocating their freedom is not the best way to get youre crap back.

But for me personally, i did not live the conflict, i just live the consequences of it and to be honest i couldn't care less about your property nor you ex-village, i didnt take it from you, but if thats the attitude i am being treated with then screw unifying with such people, im happy to continue living as i have been my whole life, and the most i will do is just moan about it once in a while...


From your very first post you laid your credentials on the table ,you are a young vulgar uneducated and insensitive individual , I called you then a piss artist and a punk ,having arrived at this conclusion early on , you have contributed absolutely nothing that one could say was instrumental in building bridges of reconciliation for the sake of future generations of Cypriots that you with your warped ideology have sentenced to a life of constant fear of conflict. There again , as you often said , you will emerge victorious and fuck the thousands of Cypriots whose life would have been lost. Just examine my ideology with yours.
1. You and all other Cypriots are my compatriots with whom I want to live in peace as equal citizens in our country.
2.My vision to see a T/C as President of a united Cyprus is based on the hypothesis that should a political party embracing all Cypriots (British Labour Party ) be elected by the people to power with a T/C as the leader , then Cyprus would have turned a new bright leaf in its history , a government made up by Cypriots working for Cyprus.
3. I see no minorities or majorities , only Cypriots.
4. I have expressed my sadness that so many of our young people lost their lives in a conflict orchestrated mainly by misguided nationalistic fanatics whose allegiance was not to Cyprus but to their perceived "motherlands "
Try and rethink your position but do consider the future generations , the very young and innocent growing up now.
I have one only Grandchild , a 3 year old girl living in Cyprus , she is NO different from a 3 year old T/C boy or girl living in Kyrenia. Children are mentally raped by their "society " parents aunts and uncles , just as you were , and the vicious circle continues until a brave new ideology appears and discredits the inflammatory propaganda that causes so much pain and anguish.
Use your brain and think before you answer with your usual bravado .


Miltiades to be honest im getting utterly sick with you patronizing attitude towards me and everyone else, wether its because of my age or because of my views that you dont aggree with, you have called me many things since you forst ever post and to be honest its pretty hard for me to take you seriously in any way anymore, so how do you dare talk about credentials!

but i can tell you this much that you as an elderly have only managed to reinforce my ideas on nationalistic GCs, you cant play both ways when it suits you my friend, as compassionate as you try to act you only portray the face of a lying politician, and your compassion stinks of hypocracy.

I tell you what the difference between a kid in SC and one in NC is, one has a near certain future and the other one doesnt, and no amount of brainwashing from either side nor direction can change that, i have not been brought up with GC horror stories but simply stories of peoples daily lives during the conflict, as everyone here shares.

Please show me where i have said "i will fuck all the Greeks" which i havent, all i have said was that i am not to blame for any of this but i am still paying the price of the wrong doings of either side, and as long as the GC fight to keep us prisoned in our own homes then i will never cease to see it as an extension of the war, and at least - unlike you - i am willing to take whatever is thrown at me for the sake of being compleatly honest with my views.

How can you expect me to see, while i am being punished for the past, as an act of peace? can you not see the problem here? yet you still advocate the continuation of our isolation while offering me a HAND?! can you not see what i am seing?

I have not lived with you, i dont know you and i bearly know anything about your country, so stop trating me like your comrade, we are from 2 different worlds. But would we get along? i do not know, i can get along with anyone with plenty of respect which you seem to seriously lack.
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:35 pm

LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
LENA wrote:You know the most decent thing to do when you do not know is to close your mouth!

I dont know if its true (because I had never been there)but they told me that they change few things around Kerynia port just to improve the area for tourists. And I know that lots of Casinos exist...I do you believe that all those was built before 1974??


with all due respect LEna maybe you should take some of your own advice...

i am from TRNC, and i dont think peace will ever come by force, it just doest work that way unfortunately.....


Ok as I said I dont know about Kerynia...but I do know about casino and the rest of the things that I wrote to you. So you are the same with Pyros!!! :( Too bad! He said the same thing to me the other day if you remember well. He said that he don't believe that the war with guns is the solution but we have to fight with a different kind of war. You know he is so right. I completely agree with him. But not on this subject on his comment that TCs and GCc have so many similarities!!!


Lena, if i were you i would not take any advice on ME from Pyr, if you want to know my full views on the matter then you should just ask me, and i would be more than happy to explain it to you without putting it in a NUTHSHELL. and i can assure you that ultimately it is nothing short of what is best for everyone on this island, i do not support partition all the way but i definately do no support unification as we are right now, i believe there can be many steps to a peace proccess, and division is definately a good choice for the moment...
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Postby LENA » Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:14 pm

shahmaran wrote:I tell you what the difference between a kid in SC and one in NC is, one has a near certain future and the other one doesnt, and no amount of brainwashing from either side nor direction can change that,

i have not been brought up with GC horror stories but simply stories of peoples daily lives during the conflict, as everyone here share

i am still paying the price of the wrong doings of either side

as long as the GC fight to keep us prisoned in our own homes

i bearly know anything about your country, so stop trating me like your comrade, we are from 2 different worlds. But would we get along?


You said that any questions I have I am more than welcome to ask before I say anything more. So will you explain me...

Why a kid in NC doesnt have a certain future and the SC kid does??
Do you believe that a GC have been brought up with fairy tales with the princess and the prince and a TC with the "horror stories"? Do you know how many children had been brought up with stories which included really terrible details about how they killed his/her father or the relatives? Stories about the bombs, about the difficulties that they had to been through just to raised them up?? Do you??? If you dont know just ask. I am not saying that we had been brought up more difficult than you (like you did). Do you know the fear we had as children that one day we might lost our way and a Turk might got us...??? I live in Nicosia and I had to go school there, go for shopping there, eat there, have fun there...there...next to the borders...there next to the army...I could always see a man with a gun... a soldier.
Are you sure that ALL the GCs fight to keep you prisoned in your homes? I know that you can go to Turkey, to Greece, to your country (Cyprus) south or north (I know that now at least you can without passports and everything). But I cant!
"YOUR country" you said. Its not your country too??
We are from 2 different worlds???? Explain me your words please!!!
You asked if we would get along! Why? Why you wonder. If we dont have all this "Patriots" between us and we both stand one step back from our egos...yes we might do that you know.

shahmaran wrote:Lena, if i were you i would not take any advice on ME from Pyr, if you want to know my full views on the matter then you should just ask me, and i would be more than happy to explain it to you without putting it in a NUTHSHELL. and i can assure you that ultimately it is nothing short of what is best for everyone on this island, i do not support partition all the way but i definately do no support unification as we are right now, i believe there can be many steps to a peace proccess, and division is definately a good choice for the moment...


Yes I would love to know your full views on the matter, please!
And why "division is definately a good choice"? I really dont get that. We have one country, we step on the same land why we should put everywhere signs....? "This is T" "This is C" and "This is T&C"....Why??? Explain please!!
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