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[pitsilos]

vp where are those figures?

[Viewpoint]

Birkopolous even if you are 100% correct so what? you really need to do some soul searching as you are being hypocritcal living in a foreign land and dictacting to people who live in another country how to resolve issues which are not one sided but can impact our lives not yours in a cery negative and dangerous way. You are a text book individual with no hands on experience of today all you know is the past. We TCs are the TRNC a mosiac of TCs and Turks why does this make you so uncomfortable? you are a diluted individual who has lost the warmth of his roots, obviously you would rather be a mosiac with Greek Cypriots that is your choice not ours if it was we would all be living in the south, you are free to do so whenever you wish no one is stopping you but remember you have no right to force me or any other TC.

What you are doing is nothing new,Viewpoint.You cannot attack my arguments so you attack my person. It is a time honoured method used by dishonorable cowards with nothing but propaganda and misinformation on their minds...

You know as well as I do,that not only do I know the past because I lived it,but I also know the present,and I can tell the future looking at the present and the past. Coming from you,the acusations of being a "textbook individual" and "diluted individual" are just laughable.

You are not a mosaic of anything.You are a member of a downthroden, forcibly assimilated,scared,and criminally immoral entity with an inferiority complex and without any dignity or self respect.I feel sorry for you.

I have been personally attacked nothing new on this forum so dont pull that card on me, becuase it just wont work. Propaganda to you and the GCs is reality for us, so labelling it propaganda just so as not to have to deal with it doesnt mean it will go away, its will always be there until it is acknowledged and addressed properly.

If you feel this way then just leave us alone in what ever position we choose to be in, do you realize that TCs can go live in the south? The propaganda you feel I put about would not have any impact on anyone who feels the "RoC" can provide them a better life than the one they have today. This is what GCs and you find difficult to understand and digest. If there is nothing on offer that is better than today no one will just up sticks and move south to live in a GC state.

Forget us Bir, continue to live and die in Aussie amongst foreigners and never come back to as you keep saying the non exsistent TRNC, we are not your people.

[Viewpoint]

vp where are those figures?

Im not gonna do research for you do your own you lazy inidividual.

[pitsilos]

you are such a tool. always the easy way out for you ain't it?

you probably got the figures right on you desk, but you refuse to provide them.

[Pyrpolizer]

Sorry Kikapu,

I am actually lost in this topic.

Birkibrisli gave me an idea.
I am now thinking of putting myself in the shoes of a TC, I hope somebody else (GC) can do it better than me.
If I can write something quick is this:Remember I am a TC now!
We lived under terrible conditions for 11 years. The Greeks were prospering we were going down and down everyday.They even killed some of my relatives. After 1974 we moved to the north and they gave us a GC house and some property, but whats the use of that when you have nothing to make an income. For another 32 years the continue to live a life much lower than what we deserve. Most of us do government work, the salaries come from Turkey. You know how boring those jobs are, but at least we live comfortably. But it is really a miserable life.

I think everything is the fault of the GCs. In a nutshell we are suffering for 44 whole years. And they are prospering and prospering and prospering.

What the hell are we the TCs? Children of some lesser God? Why can't we have the same rights and the opportunities as every other person who lives in Cyprus? Are we some sort of bad people just because we speak Turkish? We already spent a whole 44 years thats 2 generations living like children of a lesser God. Until when damn it?

[Viewpoint]

So when you agrred and signed you had no intention of making it work? The only way to make it work was to water down Tcs rights and strengthen the GC hand, great.

What rights? No one is entitled to have double and tripple rights. Why 18% of the people should hold 40% of the police force? We signed them under blackmail, of those who were violating our rights on the first place.

That was a cover when did Makarios ever tell the truth, he was funding and pushing TCs abroad as they were so economically strained I think you call that ethnic cleansing

It was a mixture of actions and causes from both sides. Why do you only see those coming from the GCs and you never look at the inherited causes of the enclave policy ? There was no successful ethnic cleansing as the percentage of TCs before 1960 up until 1974 remained constant.

It consituted a threat to an already disfunctional constitution and created a state of emergency in which the TC community were definately at risk. Even Makarious asked Turkey to intervene.

Threat is not enough. I currently feel threatened by what Turkey says about war for oil. It is not enough to go to war. And true the goatPriest asked Turkey to intervene to put him back on his throne. Turkeys right to intervene was just to resore the constitutional order…. Not to to what she did.


So there was no risk during those 6 days? the constitution was not in taters and the TCs were living in heaven, come one even you can understand the fear and explosive position TCs were in.

The invasion occured after the risk was over. The Invasion was a hasty grabbing of an opportunity long waited for.

This is what you want to believe the fear was very real and TCs found solis in sticking together this is very natural. Why should TCs want to live in such squalid conditions if they could go home and reclaim whats theres, even today we hear stories of what GCs were doing to the TC community, you to can today go to TC villages in the north and talk to old TCs they will explain exactly what they lived through and how they were treated during those times.

I already said the GC extremists did serve the enclave policy better than anyone. I am aware also of GC people who took the opportunity to frighten the TCs so they would grab their properties. The fact is there were many ways for Turkey to achieve her Taksim dream through the enclave policy. ALL required the suffering of the TC people UP UNTIL TODAY.

I am happy that we did not chance on not being anniahalated and that Turkey arrived when they did Im pretty certain you would have wanted the same if you were the ones at risk of being killed .

Oh, let me get this straight. Because there was a possibility for that happening, you are happy Turkey launched a nuclear missile on the GCs, so that chance is not possible anymore. These are the lies you keep on feeding the average TC to make him feel comfortable.

Suffering? get real have you visited the north or spent time with a TC family, one less car or one less holiday a year is not suffering, please dont insult the poor and hungry in Africa who are suffering with TCs who have a standard of living on par with other EU countries.

You are the ones who complain about the situation there. And yes there is a great percentage of TCs who really suffer in "trnc". The fact is the TC people are half the way to their true potential. And even that is mostly achieved through charity from Turkey.

I can easily counter argue all the above but we have been over this ground so many times it seems pointless. The bottom line is we are divided and if we want to unite compromise has to made on both sides, if we do not talk to each other then no roap map will evey appear, the last one was rejected and any new one will have to be accpeted by both sides otherwise stalemate will continue. You will push for your agenda and me for mine.

I may have asked this before forgive me but have you been north and do you know any TCs famalies??? If you havent I suggest you do this will give you a totally new perspective on things.

[Viewpoint]

you are such a tool. always the easy way out for you ain't it?

you probably got the figures right on you desk, but you refuse to provide them.

I have fallen into this trap before, if I provide figures they will be blown to bits as being biased wrong TC propaganda and the usual shit, best way is for you to make an effort and investigate for your own sources.

[pitsilos]

yeah thanks a lot

[Pyrpolizer]

Pitsilos I have the figures somewhere.
Just from memory it was from 0.5 billion to 1 billion per year. It was increasing every year as I remember. This money were going to the "government" machine. The costs for the Turkish army is separate.

NB. When I was doing this reasearch I was actually looking for the size of the "government" machine. Beleive me it's huge. The majority of real TCs do "government" job. Too many policemen, too many people doing nothing all day. Not that the RoC government people work harder anyway...

[Kikapu]

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To borrow a phrase from showbiz "Not everthing that is good is popular,and not everthing which is popular good"

I know it's almost dinner time around Europe right now, so excuse me what I'm about to say, but the other phrase I would use, would be:

" Just because million flies like to eat shit, does not mean, I have to".