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[Marz]

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:05 pm

shahmaran
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SHAHMARAN WROTE:

"with all due respect LEna maybe you should take some of your own advice...

i am from TRNC, and i dont think peace will ever come by force, it just doest work that way unfortunately..... "

IF YOUR FROM THE THE TRNC YOU MUST BE TURKISH AND DONT CONSIDER YOURSELF CYPRIOT OBVIOUSLY AS THE NAME YOU HAVE SO GIVEN TO THE NORTH HAS BEEN GIVEN BY TURKEY AND THEIR FLAG.
sO I DONT SEE WHY YOU BELONG THERE.

cHEERS

[shahmaran]

you can continue to see or not see what ever you like marz, doesnt change where i live or what i like to call it...

youre welcome


ps. the Quote button is on the top right of each post, and the Caps Lock button is on the left hand side of the keyboard, i suggest you use them.

[Marz]

shahmaran wrote

"It is really dissapointing, because only now i am realising what kind of RACIST thoughts you actually hold towards Turks. "

Why is it dissapointing to you are you a Turk? make up your mind on what you are, because throught this whole thread you refer to yourself as a Turk , then again later as a Cypriot, if your not sure go fnd out.

and another fact you will deny is Turks dont belong here as much as we do becuase they invaded Cyprus they didnt own it or live there before the native people were there which was the gcypriots, you came from Mongolia, so basically a bunch of wild crazy immoral sensless thieves and criminals with the mindset of an animal. Who stole and killed everything they could, look at your turk history only full of violence with all the countries that surround you.

i just remember a comment i saw you post on another thread where you contradict yourself in saying how happy you are living in the north, but your story changed in this thread to how miserable the conditions are.

Your just a shit stirrer who likes to starts shit fights.
cheers

[Viewpoint]

90% of the privately owned lands at the occupied. Hence 90% of the public lands and forests and rivers and relegious monuments and the birds, and the viruses, and the mosquitos..
Generally that.
It may vary though e.g Lefka was by 80% TC I think?

So Pyr you have my land and I have yours. Just think of it this way its for safe keeping until or if we ever find a solution but you have to understand life goes on for us under isolation we are only able to deveop by using the means available to us which unfortunately for GCs happens to be land....if we were not under unfair embargos then TCs could concentrate on other areas and not use GC land to boost the economy. So really GCs may not want to accept this but they are really shooting themselves in the foot.

[Viewpoint]

Lena i have read your post and i still think it is as contradictory as it was before, you well know why the Turks are here and why the TCs weclomed them in the first place, now if you love your island as much as we love OUR island, then you would stop acting like nothing is happening and that whatever is happening in the north is not immaginary nor temporary!

We are fully aware of the depth of the situation and would like a fair way out of it too, but as long as TCs are treated as the thieves of GC properly and GC land then that means the mentality has not changed a single bit in the last 50 years!

You can all stand on your stupid "viewing post" in Nicoasia and pretend that the TRNC is not there as long as you like, but meanwhile we the TCs, live here and it is our country, wether you like it or not, you are more than welcome to come over or dont and stay in the south its up to you, doesnt make any difference for us...

Of course it doesnt make any difference...because you dont want us...really want us there...like VP you said stay south its better for you...we dont really want you or need you. We are having fun here...if you want to have fun come over...yeap you are right. I dont like a fair way, we are thieves, we want to steal your land...do you read what you write???

I said I want my country with all my compatriots...without any Turks in...and I didnt say that we want everything from you....But you said you want the TRNC...thats your country...not the whole island...you love your compatriots ...the TCs and the Turks who "saved" you from the "bad people" who want to steal everything you have!!! And I said that I want to share my country with you like the rest of the GCs but you said no thank you we dont need you and we dont want you!!!

Can you see the difference???

How can you steal what is already partly yours?

Answer me this question, was pre 1974 a better situation (economically, socially, security etc) for GCs or is today 2007 better?

and

Answer me this question, was pre 1974 a better situation (economically, socially, security etc) for TCs or is today 2007 better?

Gcs are comfortable in the fact that they have numerical superiority so they have started this we want you we are all Cypriots act, where was this brotherly love in Dec 1963 or when you threw your TC borthers out of Government only allowing their return if they would accept the Akritas plan?

If you want to be with us and unite then get on the streets and show it, demand your leaders put forward demands which include TC representation and where we will not be brushed to one side by the majority, show the TCs that you mean business with the security of the country should the GCs turn on the TCs, these are issues which the GC administration should be addressing. Maybe the plain fact is that they do not want a solution as they claim to be the sole representatives of the whole island and that they know full well that another failed attempt at finding a solution will surely cement partition forever.

[Viewpoint]

thats not what i said, that is what i said within the context of your vision of the conflict!

Tell me something then Lena, if you dislike Turks so much and dont want them there, how much time do you think a "Turk" has to spend in your island before he/she becomes a "Turkish Cypriot" and has won your liking and approval of the right to be there? When does a Turk become a TC?

I was trying for so long to hear those words from you...I told you I knew that, you believe that all this Turks who came after 1974 are Cypriots too, you think that all this years they made them Turkish CYPRIOTS. Is that what you are telling me???

Its a good question when will we have an answer? you can also answer the fact that when do all those Russians and Pontiac's you have given "RoC" citizenship to become Cypriots?

[zan]

shahmaran wrote

"It is really dissapointing, because only now i am realising what kind of RACIST thoughts you actually hold towards Turks. "

Why is it dissapointing to you are you a Turk? make up your mind on what you are, because throught this whole thread you refer to yourself as a Turk , then again later as a Cypriot, if your not sure go fnd out.

and another fact you will deny is Turks dont belong here as much as we do becuase they invaded Cyprus they didnt own it or live there before the native people were there which was the gcypriots, you came from Mongolia, so basically a bunch of wild crazy immoral sensless thieves and criminals with the mindset of an animal. Who stole and killed everything they could, look at your turk history only full of violence with all the countries that surround you.

i just remember a comment i saw you post on another thread where you contradict yourself in saying how happy you are living in the north, but your story changed in this thread to how miserable the conditions are.

Your just a shit stirrer who likes to starts shit fights.
cheers

First Adam Then Eve from one of Adams ribs and then GCs from Cyprus soil. The bible IS full of miracles.

[Pyrpolizer]

how much time do you think a "Turk" has to spend in your island before he/she becomes a "Turkish Cypriot" and has won your liking and approval of the right to be there? When does a Turk become a TC?

In the case of immigrants their total number must not be more than 10% of the local TC population. In this case they would become Cypriots over a period of one generation i.e about 30 years through assimiltion.
In your case the settlers are 90-100% of the local population of TCs. So instead of YOU assimilating THEM to your TC culture, you are at zero point. This means some of you were assimilated by them and became Anatolians, some of them got assimilated by you and became TCs, HOWEVER the vast majority of you and them live in totally allienated worlds.
This would be a REAL problem in case of Unification. You the TCs have a lot of common things with the GCs. We TCs and GCs can go along together relatively easy. How will WE (GCs) go along with those settlers, when you yourselves don’t go along that easy with them?

So Pyr you have my land and I have yours.

I got your hennery and you got my villa. Is it the same?

How can you steal what is already partly yours?

By grabbing 37% of the best and most expensive part of Cyprus, while your share is only 18% of the whole. And that whole was on the average shitty land.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

In the case of immigrants their total number must not be more than 10% of the local TC population. In this case they would become Cypriots over a period of one generation i.e about 30 years through assimiltion.
In your case the settlers are 90-100% of the local population of TCs. So instead of YOU assimilating THEM to your TC culture, you are at zero point. This means some of you were assimilated by them and became Anatolians, some of them got assimilated by you and became TCs, HOWEVER the vast majority of you and them live in totally allienated worlds.
This would be a REAL problem in case of Unification. You the TCs have a lot of common things with the GCs. We TCs and GCs can go along together relatively easy. How will WE (GCs) go along with those settlers, when you yourselves don’t go along that easy with them?

Total crap, have you been north? you get along with troublesome Russians and Pontiacs Turkish settlers are a piece of cake.

I got your hennery and you got my villa. Is it the same?

Luck of the draw...the size and value go in relation to the population and the embargo's which did not allow TCs to prosper pre 1974 so think of it as a payback.

By grabbing 37% of the best and most expensive part of Cyprus, while your share is only 18% of the whole. And that whole was on the average shitty land.

This is only to keep you wanting a solution just like the imaginary isolation

[zan]

In the case of immigrants their total number must not be more than 10% of the local TC population. In this case they would become Cypriots over a period of one generation i.e about 30 years through assimiltion.
In your case the settlers are 90-100% of the local population of TCs. So instead of YOU assimilating THEM to your TC culture, you are at zero point. This means some of you were assimilated by them and became Anatolians, some of them got assimilated by you and became TCs, HOWEVER the vast majority of you and them live in totally allienated worlds.
This would be a REAL problem in case of Unification. You the TCs have a lot of common things with the GCs. We TCs and GCs can go along together relatively easy. How will WE (GCs) go along with those settlers, when you yourselves don’t go along that easy with them?

Re Pyro, this is silly question because I know I am not going to get a straight answer but.............Do you actually believe this?