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[Piratis]

Suck "your" money! Excuse me? Since G/C illegally took over the Cyprus govt in 1964 they have used every cent of international aid and loans on their own community, even though we were meant to be power-sharing at the time and even before 1974. Correction! It is our money, and you`ve been sucking it for decades.

Do you think that we are unable to raise money ourselfs and that money are given to us like in your case?
The money we have are money that Cypriots of the free areas pay with their taxes. When was the last time you paid your taxes?

You illegaly took more than 1/3rd of the ground, and about 60% of the resources of the island since 74, and now you come to aks for more on top of that. We will should not give you one cent!

You really should look up the term "Federalism" in a standard sized dictionary! Then you would learn what this means. What you say at the moment implies ignorance.

Switzerland is not a confederation, there is no living example of a confederation. Switzerland used to be one until about 1860, then it became a federation but it kept the name "Confederation" for prestige.

In their constidution they always say "Confederation", and they don't do it for prestige reasons.

If you want a federation, how about the Russian Federation? Or you don't like that one?

This is no different to what is proposed in the Annan plan, have you read it?

Aparently you are the one who didn't read it.

Annan Plan:

Article 3 Constitution as supreme law
2. The federal government shall fully respect and not infringe upon the
powers and functions of the constituent states under this Constitution.
Each constituent state shall fully respect and not infringe upon the
powers and functions of the federal government or the other constituent
state under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between
federal and constituent state laws

Swiss Confederation

Art. 49 Supremacy of and Respect for Federal Law
1 Federal law takes precedence over contrary cantonal law.
2 The Confederation shall ensure that the Cantons respect federal law.

If it means permenant partition then I may well agree to this.

As permanent as anything can be. If you want you can build a 20 meters high wall.

[KELEBEK]

piratis

Do you think that we are unable to raise money ourselfs and that money are given to us like in your case?
The money we have are money that Cypriots of the free areas pay with their taxes. When was the last time you paid your taxes?

You illegaly took more than 1/3rd of the ground, and about 60% of the resources of the island since 74, and now you come to aks for more on top of that. We will should not give you one cent!

Since you asked? YES. I think were it not for the dirty Russian and Serbian money of warlords and the British tourists you take for granted, then you would be a lot poorer. I pay more money in taxes than you can imagine!

No, you owe us big time, and you are going to pay, and I m not just talking money but the war crimes. Dont think we have forgotten? Remember, Genocide is the worst crime under International Law.

In their constidution they always say "Confederation", and they don't do it for prestige reasons.

If you want a federation, how about the Russian Federation? Or you don't like that one?

No I can assure you, its a federation, there is no confederation left in the World, i made this clear to you, try reading more than one resource, and not just internet sources. The information you put proves me right. Its a shame you didnt read and understand it. Look underneath your Swiss constitutional article it says "federal", and as for the Annan plan, which one are you referring to, there are 5!

No I dont prefer the Russian Federation, where state security forces destroyed one of the states, Chechnya, killing hundreds of thousands and making over a million refugees, where the Capital city of the state, Grozny is flattened to rubble. Is this your idea for peace in Cyprus?

This proves me right, that nothing has changed in G/C attitudes and supports the case for partition.

As permanent as anything can be. If you want you can build a 20 meters high wall.

Sounds good to me!

[Saint Jimmy]

This proves me right, that nothing has changed in G/C attitudes and supports the case for partition.

What does that mean, KELEBEK?
Does that refer to all GCs? Because I think you'd be surprised as to how many people reject outright what you guys are discussing - partition.
Please don't generalize. Besides it not being fair, it also gets annoying people in the way while you are having a conversation with someone

[Piratis]

Since you asked? YES. I think were it not for the dirty Russian and Serbian money of warlords and the British tourists you take for granted, then you would be a lot poorer.

We are not the ones who created a paradise for criminals. Thats your "TRNC".

No I can assure you, its a federation, there is no confederation left in the World, i made this clear to you, try reading more than one resource, and not just internet sources.

I am referring to the official site of the Swiss confederation, not just any site.

and as for the Annan plan, which one are you referring to, there are 5!

The Annan 5.

Sounds good to me!

Then we agree and there is nothing else to discuss.

[KELEBEK]

Words by Piratis

We are not the ones who created a paradise for criminals. Thats your "TRNC".

Oh really! So how do you explain how so much of Milovic`s dirty money (he`s a war criminal by the way) was laundered into Southern G/C banks with Papadopoulos involved? Good way to get rich huh?

I am referring to the official site of the Swiss confederation, not just any site.

A) you shouldn`t always believe officials! b) just because they call themselves a confederation it doesnt mean it behaves like one and c) even official sites will tell you that Switzerland is a federation, look at

http://www.parlament.ch/e/homepage/wa-w ... wahlen.htm (in french)

Then we agree and there is nothing else to discuss.

Good, I`m glad theres nothing else to discuss.

[-mikkie2-]

Kelebek

I personally find your lack of facts when making arguments quite disturbing. And you are agressive with it too.

Do you want a unified Cyprus or not? If not then don't bother discussing it because we are here to discuss how we can unify our country, not how to divide it.

[KELEBEK]

we are here to discuss how we can solve it. reunification is one option. i prefer partition.

[Alasya]

Hi Kelebek

I think most T/Cs proved they supported reunification by those huge demonstrations in Cyprus last year, and by the 65% who said YES in the referendum.

Therefore partition is not the answer, but modifying the Annan plan is to try to find a middle ground is. Nobody in this day and age wants partition, we live in a World where borders are constantly coming down.

I understand you are angry about what happened to your familie, I come from Iskele myself and I watched my mother cry throughout my childhood because of her memories, but we are trying to build a better future, and we cannot allow the past to dictate the future. I dont hate G/Cs, I cant, they are just like us you know.


Everybody here is friendly.

Un bonjour decontracte de Quebec, pays d`hiver! Greetings from Quebec, land of winter

[-mikkie2-]

Alasya,

We have all been affected by what has happened. And that seems to be part of the problem because one side seems to think that they don't care what happened to the other when nothing could be further from the truth.

As communties we have both paid a heavy price and it seems that some people want to continue paying this price, defending stupid positions which don't seem to be compatible with the modern word.

I want dialogue and that is the only way to get enough understanding so as to unify our homeland. I don't want to talk about dividing it.

[insan]

Alasya, are you aware of that we have been "exerting" too hard to build a better future for us. And it's been almost 50 years since we started... We all "exerted" too much to break the walls for a common life of Cypriots. Ask Tassos, Denktash, Klerides, Christofias all others... They will tell you the same things but you'll not believe because of relativity. How long would you struggle to find a middle way which would satisfy majority of both parties? 1 or 2 years more? Then? Perhaps you prefer forever...