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[Saint Jimmy]

True, true...

However, can you accept that for some GCs, the way to avoid such 'deceit' (provided any is intended, I'm not sure of that!) is to not let any minority have veto powers... Some of us are just afraid of that!

Maybe then, a clause in the new constitution or whatever should include specific sanctions against any party that secedes from the new federal state??? I wonder if that's the answer...

[erolz]

True, true...

However, can you accept that for some GCs, the way to avoid such 'deceit' (provided any is intended, I'm not sure of that!) is to not let any minority have veto powers... Some of us are just afraid of that!

That may reassure GC re potential deceit from TC but it offers no protections for TC against potential political domination by GC or by deceit by them for that matter.

Maybe then, a clause in the new constitution or whatever should include specific sanctions against any party that secedes from the new federal state??? I wonder if that's the answer...

Sucsession from the federation should require the consent of both parties. Without it such sucsession would not be recognised internaly or externaly and we just end up where we are now (or visa versa). I would have no problems with sucsession from the federation being specificaly proscribed in the agreed constitution (without mutual consent) - provided the general framework protects the TC community from political domiantion. sufficently.

[Saint Jimmy]

I would have no problems with sucsession from the federation being specificaly proscribed in the agreed constitution (without mutual consent) - provided the general framework protects the TC community from political domiantion. sufficently.

Well, yeah, secession is forbidden by the constitution in the Annan plan, but it provides for no specific sanctions against the component state that does secede. In effect, GCs may worry that TC component state may decide to secede, bringing back what we have today.

That's why I wonder if the answer is for TCs to have their safeguards against political oppression and GCs having sanctions imposed against the seceding state, like the U.N. taking up the explicit responsibilty of restoring constitutional order in case it is violated, for example...?

[MicAtCyp]

If partition is ever agreed the GCs will automatically lose 1/5 th of Cyprus and the TCs 4/5 ths.

Thereafter the GCs will everyday lose on Arms spending, and on donating 2 of their best years to the military service. The TCs will depend on Turkey for their safety, which means 50K more settlers for every economic step they make forward.

An advice to the TCs: The more you insist on the "together but separate" idea, the more you push the GCs into wanting partition

An advice to the GCs: The more you insist the TCs cannot be decision makers in a United
Cyprus, the more you push them into wanting partition.

[brother]

Why are the gc so paranoid i ask, a tc veto is only there to stop unfairness not for anything else. If gc doing something good for all then there is no veto.

May i add that the tc since 1974 have been forced to grow up very quickly in order to survive the current climate, this was evident with our protests and 'yes' vote, can the same be said for the gc community.

[insan]

If partition is ever agreed the GCs will automatically lose 1/5 th of Cyprus and the TCs 4/5 ths.

Thereafter the GCs will everyday lose on Arms spending, and on donating 2 of their best years to the military service. The TCs will depend on Turkey for their safety, which means 50K more settlers for every economic step they make forward.

An advice to the TCs: The more you insist on the "together but separate" idea, the more you push the GCs into wanting partition

An advice to the GCs: The more you insist the TCs cannot be decision makers in a United
Cyprus, the more you push them into wanting partition.

The above opinion sum it all up, adelfe MicAtCyp. We know that while modereate Cypriots put effort to get more together; the far right of both communities will put effort to get more seperate. The question is will we manage to stop those bigots provoking whole Cypriots into camps.

[MicAtCyp]

So what you suggest is to change the usual federation to make it more applicable under the circumstances. I could agree with this, but as you said in other post a federation should balance the power between states and people. Such move (restriction of settlement with full political rights) disturbs this balance. I can agree for this change, but what I am asking is for something in return that is needed to keep the balance that federations should have

I ll tell you Piratis what the balance they invented was. The balance was for the 18% to administrate 29% of the geographical area. Dare you ask for some more balance the next thing they will ask is our a**.

[insan]

I ll tell you Piratis what the balance they invented was. The balance was for the 18% to administrate 29% of the geographical area. Dare you ask for some more balance the next thing they will ask is our a**.

Hehehehe you are exaggerating re brother. why don't you try to take into consideration all factors which related with the land ownership and administrative area in order to see the truth?

[insan]

So what you suggest is to change the usual federation to make it more applicable under the circumstances. I could agree with this, but as you said in other post a federation should balance the power between states and people. Such move (restriction of settlement with full political rights) disturbs this balance. I can agree for this change, but what I am asking is for something in return that is needed to keep the balance that federations should have

Piratis, I proposed 50/50 power sharing in TC constituent state both in local senate and house of representatives. Does it suit your expectations to get this, in return what you compromised on Federal Level? And for the governership I suggested 1 term GC, one term TC. How it sounds to ya, lemme now

[uzan]

So what you suggest is to change the usual federation to make it more applicable under the circumstances. I could agree with this, but as you said in other post a federation should balance the power between states and people. Such move (restriction of settlement with full political rights) disturbs this balance. I can agree for this change, but what I am asking is for something in return that is needed to keep the balance that federations should have

Piratis, I proposed 50/50 power sharing in TC constituent state both in local senate and house of representatives. Does it suit your expectations to get this, in return what you compromised on Federal Level? And for the governership I suggested 1 term GC, one term TC. How it sounds to ya, lemme now

well done insan,but I dont think this suits PIRATIS expectations HE WANTS ALL OR NOTHING.We must all try to forget the pass and live for future.