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[Alexandros Lordos]

(oh no ... not the USA discussion again ... )

[Saint Jimmy]

The same power sharing that Ohio has compared with a bigger state such as California or Texas. Democracy is one person one vote not one person 5 votes. I think that what you are arquing about is the essense of the Cyprus problem since you as a community ask for a lot more than what your population grands you.

Dude,
I think you are missing the point that the Ohio people have nothing to worry about in terms of their security being violated, or at least running the risk of being violated. Do you see? The factor that won't allow us to have that, is the very mistrust between us: TCs afraid we are after them (physically) and GCs afraid of Big Brother (or Big Sister, better still!).
That's why we ask for the guarantees to get the hell out of the Plan, and that's why they want security, by means of political control. We can't have a one-person-one-vote system, because their fears are valid, and that would leave at least the possibility of us imposing 'our' decisions on them.

[erolz]

(oh no ... not the USA discussion again ... )

Well maybe it's me but Adonis seemed to think the USA is a system where every indivduals vote is 'worth' the same - those in big states the same as those in small states - in all areas and political instituions. I see it as a system that shows clearly the prinicipal of a smaller state having the same political power as the larger states i some areas / insitituions and not in others and yet is considered a democratic system.

Is it me? Am I wrong? As you have said surely the very nature of a federal system is that decisions are not just based on a simplistic 'one person one vote' accross all the federal components? Why then does it seem like there are some arguing for a federal system but refute the idea of TC having 'four times (or five times according to some) the 'voting power' of GC on ANY issue or political instituion?

[Othellos]

Without a solution Cyprus, as it has been for eons, will be finished for ever. The northern part will become Turkey and the south part Greece. Partition will mean the end of one of the most historical and ancient places on earth. It is quite freightening to hear people contemplating partition or a velvet divorse, as they now call it rather euphemistically. True Cypriots need to stand up and be counted. Our heritage is at stake. We are facing the same kind of fate that met the dinausaurs, fifty million years ago; and this because we could not contain a handfull of bigots. Because we are afraid of slogan terrorists. Because I cannot put any faith on Papadopoulos (and his partner Christofias), and I said this many times, I am placing my hopes on the TC's and pray they do not lose any fate. I pray they keep the fire burnig for a while longer, otherwise all hope wil be lost.

Hmmm.....maybe the fact that we Cypriots have a couple of dinosaurs governing us 50 million years after their supposed extinction has to do something with all this?

O.

[insan]

Dude,
I think you are missing the point that the Ohio people have nothing to worry about in terms of their security being violated, or at least running the risk of being violated. Do you see? The factor that won't allow us to have that, is the very mistrust between us: TCs afraid we are after them (physically) and GCs afraid of Big Brother (or Big Sister, better still!).
That's why we ask for the guarantees to get the hell out of the Plan, and that's why they want security, by means of political control. We can't have a one-person-one-vote system, because their fears are valid, and that would leave at least the possibility of us imposing 'our' decisions on them.

I agree with you jimmy. Moreover, US started as a confederation and it took more than a century for them to evolve its current form...

[erolz]

I agree with you jimmy. Moreover, US started as a confederation and it took more than a century for them to evolve its current form...

and a civil war ?

[Saint Jimmy]

and a civil war ?

...and we've had ours, non?

[boulio]

did the annan plan have checks and balances as does the usa federal system:

the us constituion is the central reason of its success,does the annan plan provide for a strong constition?

http://www.socialstudieshelp.com/Lesson_13_Notes.htm

[Saint Jimmy]

did the annan plan have checks and balances as does the usa federal system:

the us constituion is the central reason of its success,does the annan plan provide for a strong constition?

Dude,
most people around the world would call me a Yankee-lover, and they'd be absolutely right. But, seriously, the U.S. legal system is what you say it is, it has checks and balances, but it's not fool-proof. Go back to the 2000 elections and the Supreme Court's role. Where's the check and where's the balance? Not to mention affirmative action, it's just a joke, man... Do you not think so? But the States are still the States, perfect Constitution or not.

That's what I'm talking about: we don't need a perfect constitution (it'd be nice to have one!), we need forward-looking people.

[uzan]

This is not a good solution, but is better than Annan plan.
I would agree if the percentages are fair (18%-82%) but not in any other case.

This solution is more acceptable than the Annan partition plan because about the same number of refugees would return, and we would not have to deal with settlers, the Turkish army and dysfunctionality. These would be just TC problems and they can decide how they will solve them by themselves.

TC at the present,unfortunately, are powerless in
comparison to their compatriots gC to enable them to make informed choices. Therefore the Annan partition plan remains the best option. However the
GC having complied with their present gov's policy they have missed a good opportunity to for peace and they have proved Mr. Dektas's claims that the only solution the Cyprus problem is to have to nations living as good neighbours with equal soveringhty rcognition.