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[Piratis]

if you could just come to some agreement on the percentages

The point is that there is nothing to discuss about the percentages. The only thing to discuss is which 18% the TCs would keep. Otherwise there is no deal.

[michalis5354]

Not bad assessment!

[erolz]

if you could just come to some agreement on the percentages

The point is that there is nothing to discuss about the percentages. The only thing to discuss is which 18% the TCs would keep. Otherwise there is no deal.

Surely the point is that there is no one on the GC side to discuss such proposals at any % split? Is there any politician in RoC that has suggested such a solution could be acceptable to GC?

[mehmet]

Piratis, Michalis,

It is not a proposal I support to divide island, Adonis raised the issue although I note that piratis in your very first post make a similar arguement. Is this what you really want or are you just being provocative. Not a single Turkish Cypriot participates on this forum regularly who wants the partition to remain. Why waste your time when there are other ways of making contact with Turks who believe partitiion is the solution.

if you wished to discuss this proposal seriously you would have to negotiate your suggested 18% with the 40% already under Tukish control. Go ahead and try if you like to see how much you could get Turkey to give up half of what it controls. I think you'll find it's a waste of time and you'll be sitting in your cafes waiting for the balance of power to shift. But do not be so sure that when it does shift it will be in the direction you imagine.

If however you want solution i look forward to more realistic contributions on this forum.

[michalis5354]

Mehmet ,

I support a united island Many messages have been posted for provocative reasons and I got a message that neither side is willing to change any mentality !

But thanks for the clarifications !

And Happy New Year !

[mehmet]

Michalis,

happy new year to you too and let's hope we get a united island even if we do still have to share it with the idiots that got us into this mess.

[Piratis]

Not a single Turkish Cypriot participates on this forum regularly who wants the partition to remain.

I am sorry but what I see is that with some very few exceptions, most TCs in here want partition. They just want a different, legal and disguised partition, that will allow them to enter the EU and gain additional benefits on top of what a "standard" partition offers to them.

I think you'll find it's a waste of time and you'll be sitting in your cafes waiting for the balance of power to shift.

Its all a matter of time. If we have to wait, we will wait. But we are not the only ones who are going to pay the price for this delay.

In any case, the balance doesn't need to be shifted much for this 18%-82% partition - i believe this is achievable during the next 10 years, and it is up to us to decide if we want such thing or we want to wait more for a fair solution. (because obviously any kind of partition is not fair). The problem is that for a good solution more time is needed, and as you said we never know when the balance of power will favor us to that degree.

[mehmet]

I repeat, no Turkish person who participates on this forum regularly wants partition. If you can't accept that that's your problem. If you want to seriously debate partitioning this island there are other places where you can make contact with your Turkish equivalents to struggle together for your united aspirations.

[Piratis]

I repeat, no Turkish person who participates on this forum regularly wants partition.

Mehmet, lets not play with the words. The TCs that participate here keep saying that there are two nations in Cyprus that should have separate sovereignty. Now thats partition.

Those TCs that you refer to, simply prefer not to say the word partition, because they prefer to disguise it. A disguised partition can offer them more than a standard partition, and this is why they prefer it.

[erolz]

Mehmet, lets not play with the words.

That's pretty rich comming from you, given how you play with words like 'democracy' (can only mean effective GC control of whole island) and 'unity' (can only mean effective GC control of whole island) and 'fair' (can only mean effective GC control of whole island) and federal (can only mean effective GC control of the whole island) and 'human rights' (can only mean rights of indivduals and not peoples / communites - because, yep you guessed it - that means effective GC control of whole island).No one plays with words here more than you in my humble opinion.

The TCs that participate here keep saying that there are two nations in Cyprus that should have separate sovereignty. Now thats partition.

See! Two seperate and politicaly equal communites in a single state is federation - acording to any 'normal' person. To you is partition or disguised partition because it does not deliver effective sole GC control of the whole island.

Those TCs that you refer to, simply prefer not to say the word partition, because they prefer to disguise it. A disguised partition can offer them more than a standard partition, and this is why they prefer it.

Yes your definitions are plain and clear - anything that does not guarantee effective GC control of the whole island is 'partition', 'disguised partition', 'un democratic', 'against human rights', 'un fair','un workable','anti european' and any other negative term you can apply to a settlement that does not give you what you want.