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[Kikapu]

Kikapu, im up for a negotiations, only under the conditions i have described already, a FEW times, so if u wonder what they are then i suggest you go search for them, coz im done repeating myself for you over and over again for you....only 165 posts

Please direct me to you "solution" suggestions thread. I can't keep track on your every post. You may have written 165 posts, but have said very little of importance, since mostly has been about Doom & Gloom. All negatives and no positives, for future of Cyprus, as one nation.

[axilleask]

All these years I hear from people that division is Turkey's plan and if we agree to that then Turkey will be the winner...

This is just crap... Turks are a part of this island so ok maybe they came later than the Greeks but then hey the Phoenicians came to the island earlier than the Greeks so then I suggest that all us Greeks move and surrender the island to Lebanon..

Cyprus Confederation won't work .. it failed in the past it will fail again because we just want different things and pursue different goals .

I always hear that the Turks occupy "our land" .. Are we different? Don't we occupy " their land" ? Who's land is our land and who's land is their land?

My opinion is that what we don't accept is that the Turks occupy 37 % of "our land" . I believe we wouldn't talk about a "Cyprus problem " if the Turks occupied 10 % of "our land ".

The reason so many Turkish troops are stationed in the North is because of the fear the Turkish Cypriots have that if these troops are gone the Greeks Cypriots will start Ethnic cleansing ... and we keep giving them reasons to still believe that.
Turkish troops give them safety ... and all the problems that safety brings... but dont we say "better safe than sorry? "

I think if we gave the Turks the independence they want along with 20% of the island everybody will be happy and the Cyprus problem will be solved once and for all. The land will have equivalent value with the land they have abandoned and we all be happy...

Why we won't ever do that? Because WE are afraid that if we grant this independence North Cyprus will be a base for Turkish troops that will eventually occupy all Cyprus ... and nothing will ever erase that fear...

So.. Deadlock again ...

[Kifeas]

All these years I hear from people that division is Turkey's plan and if we agree to that then Turkey will be the winner...

This is just crap... Turks are a part of this island so ok maybe they came later than the Greeks but then hey the Phoenicians came to the island earlier than the Greeks so then I suggest that all us Greeks move and surrender the island to Lebanon..

Cyprus Confederation won't work .. it failed in the past it will fail again because we just want different things and pursue different goals .

I always hear that the Turks occupy "our land" .. Are we different? Don't we occupy " their land" ? Who's land is our land and who's land is their land?

My opinion is that what we don't accept is that the Turks occupy 37 % of "our land" . I believe we wouldn't talk about a "Cyprus problem " if the Turks occupied 10 % of "our land ".

The reason so many Turkish troops are stationed in the North is because of the fear the Turkish Cypriots have that if these troops are gone the Greeks Cypriots will start Ethnic cleansing ... and we keep giving them reasons to still believe that.
Turkish troops give them safety ... and all the problems that safety brings... but dont we say "better safe than sorry? "

I think if we gave the Turks the independence they want along with 20% of the island everybody will be happy and the Cyprus problem will be solved once and for all. The land will have equivalent value with the land they have abandoned and we all be happy...

Why we won't ever do that? Because WE are afraid that if we grant this independence North Cyprus will be a base for Turkish troops that will eventually occupy all Cyprus ... and nothing will ever erase that fear...

So.. Deadlock again ...

The problem my clever friend who seem to think you have just invented the wheel, is that Turkey and the majority of the TCs want to have partition without returning any land, or with returning only as little and as scrappy parts as possible, and in no way they are ready to return any substantial areas -set aside to keep only the 20% that you mentioned above.

If you have not realised already, they want their cake and eat it, deriving all their audacity from the “luxury” of being able to hide themselves behind the tanks and bayonets of the Turkish army, and that is why we have no solution all these years.

If Turkey had occupied only 20% of the land in 1974, rest sure the first ones that would have been against partition, would have been the TCs themselves, the very same people that today have partition so high in their agendas and give us inthe forums all those lame excuses in favor of it.

[shahmaran]

Kikapu, you can throw as many sweeping statements about my posts as you like, i know exactly what i said, and im not going to re-summerize everything at your pleasure AGAIN, but i can tell you this much that your positive/negative attitude does not apply in this case because, just like you, in my eyes, you are the negative one. Infact u might as well be living on the other side of the border, thats how different your opinions would be to me, because you are simply advocating the exact opinions as the people i am arguing against are putting forward.

On the contrary its nice to see the opinions of people like Axilleask, which definately seem a lot more realistic and fair compared to a lot of the other extremely idealistic people here, like youself.

Now, since i do aggree with a lot of his points up there, you will not be left out from the details of my highly "unimportant and gloomy" vision and even better, i dont have to go fetch anything to direct you to

Thank you Axilleask excellent timing...

[zan]

All these years I hear from people that division is Turkey's plan and if we agree to that then Turkey will be the winner...

This is just crap... Turks are a part of this island so ok maybe they came later than the Greeks but then hey the Phoenicians came to the island earlier than the Greeks so then I suggest that all us Greeks move and surrender the island to Lebanon..

Cyprus Confederation won't work .. it failed in the past it will fail again because we just want different things and pursue different goals .

I always hear that the Turks occupy "our land" .. Are we different? Don't we occupy " their land" ? Who's land is our land and who's land is their land?

My opinion is that what we don't accept is that the Turks occupy 37 % of "our land" . I believe we wouldn't talk about a "Cyprus problem " if the Turks occupied 10 % of "our land ".

The reason so many Turkish troops are stationed in the North is because of the fear the Turkish Cypriots have that if these troops are gone the Greeks Cypriots will start Ethnic cleansing ... and we keep giving them reasons to still believe that.
Turkish troops give them safety ... and all the problems that safety brings... but dont we say "better safe than sorry? "

I think if we gave the Turks the independence they want along with 20% of the island everybody will be happy and the Cyprus problem will be solved once and for all. The land will have equivalent value with the land they have abandoned and we all be happy...

Why we won't ever do that? Because WE are afraid that if we grant this independence North Cyprus will be a base for Turkish troops that will eventually occupy all Cyprus ... and nothing will ever erase that fear...

So.. Deadlock again ...

The problem my clever friend who seem to think you have just invented the wheel, is that Turkey and the majority of the TCs want to have partition without returning any land, or with returning only as little and as scrappy parts as possible, and in no way they are ready to return any substantial areas -set aside to keep only the 20% that you mentioned above.

If you have not realised already, they want their cake and eat it, deriving all their audacity from the “luxury” of being able to hide themselves behind the tanks and bayonets of the Turkish army, and that is why we have no solution all these years.

If you did not intend to lose something then you should not have gambled. Moving on does not mean that we have to go back first. You are the very reason that the island is split but you not only want your cake and eat it but you want our cake too.

[shahmaran]

No what the REAL problem is Kifeas, some of the Greeks (like yourself) are whinging little girls who cant get over the fact that we got a better half and to be honest it doesnt look like you need it either, you guys are doing pretty good for yourselves buddy, our half is more strategically logical for us, and for Turkey and she was the one who divided and to be honest, TOUGH BLOODY SHIT! You shouldnt have put yourself in such a position and got Turkey involved and got your little knickers in a twist along the way!

No one recognizes us but hey at least we can spend the summers chilling on beautiful SANDY beaches and forget about alll the troubles of the world and the Greeks and the UN and so forth, life is good over here

[Kifeas]

Zan and Shahmaran, thanks for proving the point I was trying to make to Axilleask, with your above two posts.

Axilleask, it seems that you have just acquired a new friend and ally, the brainwashed TC fanatic and arogant Mr. Shahmaran, with your very “brilliant” posts in the forum.

[shahmaran]

Kifeas dont blame him for not being as nationalistically blind and selfish as yourself, i have already said that anyone with some brains and a clear objective look (which u seem to lack either) on the subject would see the logic in everything we say, and he has exactly proven MY point, and im pretty sure that you are a lot more lonely on this than he is...

[zan]

Kifeas dont blame him for not being as nationalistically blind and selfish as yourself, i have already said that anyone with some brains and a clear objective look (which u seem to lack either) on the subject would see the logic in everything we say, and he has exactly proven MY point, and im pretty sure that you are a lot more lonely on this than he is...

I hear he is an excellent dining companion and people are queuing to have him at their table.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, you can throw as many sweeping statements about my posts as you like, i know exactly what i said, and im not going to re-summerize everything at your pleasure AGAIN, but i can tell you this much that your positive/negative attitude does not apply in this case because, just like you, in my eyes, you are the negative one. Infact u might as well be living on the other side of the border, thats how different your opinions would be to me, because you are simply advocating the exact opinions as the people i am arguing against are putting forward.

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A simple direction to find your so called "solution" page would have been enough, without all the rest you have written, because I have already got that, that you don't like the Greeks and that you like to argue against them.

I don't know which "other side" you mean, as far as wanting for me to live there, since Cyprus is not officially divided. But I tell you one thing, I will not be having you as my neighbour, not with the kind of language, and insensitive manner you represent as a Turkish Cypriot towards your fellow man. I can't stand Racist Nationalistic Bastards. Be sure to raise your Nationalist flag up the flag pole at your house, so that I stand way clear away from you. I'm sure you will want to keep your neighbourhood only available to like minded people, as yourself.