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[zan]

oh come on Kikapu! first of all, you were more curious about where i was from more then anyone else, infact you very clearly stated that it would make a big difference if i was Turkish or TC or half half or whatever, i could have been Persian for all i care, or even GC i think, any honest objective look on the conflict would find that the Turks are the ones who are getting screwed over this time... and i am perfectly capable of living with other ethnicities, including GCs, but this is not about my personal preference of a decent neighbour, its a lot more then that, its more about the future of my ethnicity, so lets not forget that, i do not have anything against anyone, i have already mentioned it many times!

If you or your parents were from Turkey or any other nation, and the fact they and you have been living in the "TRNC", would not have made you a "Cypriot". Since you have clarified your status as born to Cypriot Parents, that makes you a Cypriot and not a Martian, I'm happy to say.

Of course the TC's are the one's getting screwed over time, and will continue to be, unless we can all agree to meet each other half way. I hope you were not expecting the "rose garden", when we are holding onto other peoples land. Would you not try to screw the other party, if the shoe were on the other foot. Both sides have something what the other side wants, so why don't we all give each other what we all want, and what ever is left over, we can both share it.

I will second you as the spokes person to go and talk to the RoC on those issues kikapu, tell me what they say.

[shahmaran]

Kikapu im not going to call you a trator coz i truly believe we are all entitled to our opinions no matter how much MORE it is in the favour of the opposite side, but i honestly dissaggree with everuything you have said, infact i was never that sure about your stance on the subject, but you have made it pretty clear with these last few....sorry bro but I AM NOT sitting on anyones land, and there is absolutely nothing i want from the Greeks, i just want my freedom without having to kiss any Greek arse, and i think we can manage that eventually, and TRNC will be free!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu why are so concerned about how shahmaran views his nationality, he could think hes a martian why do you care so much? and are trying to make him accept he is a "Cypriot" without the Turkish part of his identity.

You feel you are closer to your GC "brothers" .

If Shahmaran was from Mars, I would be happy to call him a Martian. Well he is not from Mars, but instead, he is from Cyprus, so it goes without saying, I would have thought, that he is in fact, a Cypriot, and a Turkish one at that. I never asked him not to acknowledge his Turkishness, have I ??

Don't forget VP, the GC's are also your "brothers", not only mine. You may hate your "brothers", but they are part of you, and vice versa. Yes, it is a wonderful feeling, that I have a choice to live in the RoC or the "TRNC", (as long as it lasts). But in the event, the "wall" comes down, I will not be a stranger to either side, unlike most of you, and that's because I have maintained my Cypriotness. Even if every Greek Cypriot in the RoC would be horrible to me when I visit there in April, they cannot take away my right to be there or being a Cypriot.

You have made your bed with your GC brothers so lay in it and enjoy the ride but dont expect others to follow you. Your perspective may suit you for many reasons but it doesnt recieve any support from the majoirty of the TCs or we would have taken a trip south over the border to the GC state called the "RoC". You will learn a lot when you visit the island, ho and dont worry the TRNC will be here for a very very long time to come, I am sure that when you return to your country of residency you will see a clearer picture and start to question your own beliefs.

As for GCs being my brothers well they may be distant relatives but I do not have any contact with them anymore and have no intention of rekindling a family fued. They can live in thier part of the country and i live in my own like we have been doing for the last 33 years.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu im not going to call you a trator coz i truly believe we are all entitled to our opinions no matter how much MORE it is in the favour of the opposite side, but i honestly dissaggree with everuything you have said, infact i was never that sure about your stance on the subject, but you have made it pretty clear with these last few....sorry bro but I AM NOT sitting on anyones land, and there is absolutely nothing i want from the Greeks, i just want my freedom without having to kiss any Greek arse, and i think we can manage that eventually, and TRNC will be free!

Cyprus issue is not just about me, you, Zan, VP, Piratis, Kifeas and any other individual. It's who we are as Cypriots is at stake here. Just because you're not sitting on Greek land, should not prevent you to be an advocate for a peaceful island. I cannot understand, why you are so ready to walk away from the other 63% of your country, and settle for only 37%, with no certainty, that you will even get to keep that, and even if you did, at what cost.?

[zan]

Kikapu im not going to call you a trator coz i truly believe we are all entitled to our opinions no matter how much MORE it is in the favour of the opposite side, but i honestly dissaggree with everuything you have said, infact i was never that sure about your stance on the subject, but you have made it pretty clear with these last few....sorry bro but I AM NOT sitting on anyones land, and there is absolutely nothing i want from the Greeks, i just want my freedom without having to kiss any Greek arse, and i think we can manage that eventually, and TRNC will be free!

Cyprus issue is not just about me, you, Zan, VP, Piratis, Kifeas and any other individual. It's who we are as Cypriots is at stake here. Just because you're not sitting on Greek land, should not prevent you to be an advocate for a peaceful island. I cannot understand, why you are so ready to walk away from the other 63% of your country, and settle for only 37%, with no certainty, that you will even get to keep that, and even if you did, at what cost.?

As we have been saying all along, what is the alternative? More Greekness? I have nothing against my GC cousins but I am not Greek and am not prepared to go on for the rest of my life telling people I am of Turkish decent from Cyprus. There is no real Cypriot in that sense. We had our one chance of being Cypriot ruined by our first and last president. All other presidents after that have been Greek Cypriot ones and have not meant a thing to me. Our history split from 1963 and since then I have been a Turkish Cypriot and have got used to it. If the RoC wants to dissolve and give us the power we demand then maybe we can start the new Cypriot in which all products, all street signs and everything else that is meant to be Cypriot is done in two languages and both sets of history are taught. Until this equality is achieved, and I don’t think it can be, then I want partition. Nothing against my GC cousins, just want my own identity because I can't relate to theirs.

[andri_cy]

Zan no one says you should forget your culture and your language and your ethnicity. Those things are important of course. No one can deny that. Maybe sometimes though, we should put nationality above ethnicity, because in a country like ours where people are mixed like us, it comes first-or it should. I have said many times and I know I will get yelled at by several people, that I am a Greek Cypriot. That is I speak Greek, my religion is very close to the Greeks' and a lot of my traditions are close to the Greeks'. On the other hand, a lot of my traditions, my foods, my music, is close to the TCs' who in their turn are close to Turks from Turkey. Cypriots are in their own right a special race, with mixed cultures, traditions, cuisine. I even have Turkish words in my language.I guess I am talking and not really saying anything, but what I mean is, we have out ethnicities and we have a common nationality, and within that, we even have a bit of each others' ethnicity. That makes us very close, even though both unique within our own rights.

[zan]

But the nationality as it stands in the south, and would be in the north if everything the RoC is asking for gets done, is that of Greek Cypriot. The last 32 years has made it even more so. The same has happened in the north and now you are saying we want you to dismantle your part and accept ours. Can you not see that as being unexceptable to us? Can you not see that as being unexceptable to a young TC that knows nothing else as in VPs case. You guys are being way to hard on VP and not looking into his mindset.

[Kikapu]

I will second you as the spokes person to go and talk to the RoC on those issues kikapu, tell me what they say.

Well, you have already made up your mind that PappaD will say NO, so instead I'll take it to Talat, because you believe he would say YES, because we are better citizens than them.

[Kikapu]

You have made your bed with your GC brothers so lay in it and enjoy the ride but dont expect others to follow you. .

I sleep in my own bed, thank you very much. I know it is your way of dismissing any other views others may have that may differ from yours, Zans or Shahmaran. I don't think you 3 make up the majority of the TC's in the "TRNC". As you said, I will find out for myself, when I get there. You know me by now, that I don't carry water to anyone, who does not deserve it, so my views, what ever they may be, will be the facts, be it be in the RoC or the "TRNC":

[zan]

Stop messing about with the quotes Kikapu

I will try again